Author Topic: Alberta Separation Thread (Read 2218 times)

AxeMan · « **on:** October 21, 2019, 07:43:35 PM »

Might as well start this right now.
I am an Albertan. I share very few values with those people east of here.
They might as well be from another country.
Let this start. It has my full support.

LeverAction · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2019, 08:08:31 PM »

Absolutely, time to go it on our own. No going back from here as far as I’m concerned.

Hammer spur · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2019, 08:11:10 PM »

100%
I do not know anyone that is not on board for seperation.
That tells you something right there.

AxeMan · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2019, 08:22:44 PM »

Trudeau - Suck It
Scheer - Suck It
Singh - Suck It
May - Suck It

I will not support any of these. They can all piss off as far as I am concerned.
Alberta separation only. This is so obvious.

LeverAction · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2019, 08:35:09 PM »

Question: where are you from. Answer: Alberta. Question: no I mean what county. Answer: Alberta. And I will walk away from the Canadian national anthem before I stand and take my hat off to it. If Turd can screw Canada so can I. My dad fought and an uncle died in vain for this. Sad.

Walleyes · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2019, 07:51:01 AM »

Yes our household is in, it’s time to get serious about this issue.

W101 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2019, 09:14:19 AM »

The big thing on Social media and Facebook is the WEXIT movement
Alberta Separation claiming 60 K members overnight...
There are several other separation movements on line !

I think generally people are pissed....

WEXIT flag

Sooner · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2019, 09:39:07 AM »

I don't see how separation will work with us land locked(enlighten me).

I think we would be better off following the Quebec model, our own police force, collect our own taxes etc. Firewall our resource money and keep it. Oh and see if Sask & Manitoba want to join in the new western block of Blue. I would love to see the day Quebec doesn't get another dime from us. I have voted in every election since I was 18, city, province and Federal. I'm 51 now. Every Federal election is the same, watch the east decide my fate. I had enough of this too. I really thought Harper would add more seats for the west to even the playing field but never heard it brought up once.

Let' get going with that Equalization referendum Mr Kenney. At least it will start the constitutional process.

sonny · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2019, 10:15:17 AM »

We were supposed to visit family in Ontario this Christmas.

Looks like I saved some money on airline tickets.

Maybe I'll buy a gun with my savings.

AxeMan · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2019, 10:16:24 AM »

Sooner,
It won't be easy, but the status quo on confederation is like a slow death sentence. Death row really.
Switzerland is landlocked too, they can make it. We need to build trade options to the south with the USA.

We need to start this project. And forget the Scheer's and Kenny's, this is bigger than those failed conventional politicians.
Your ideas are a start. Booting out the RCMP is the best way to start this. Idiot Ed Stelmach signed them on for 20 years in 2011.
See why I say these idiot conventional politicians need the boot too. Tear up that contract and say tough beans. Trudeau does that kind of shit all the time.
Kenny and Harper renegotiated the equalization formula in the 2007 Federal budget that delivered an even larger increase to Quebec.
Scheer was falling all over himself for Canadian unity on the last weekend of the campaign. He knows Alberta is pissed and Quebec wants out too.

This starts with the building of a strong separatist party in Alberta that will start to look at all of the big issues of doing it.
It is now like a very bad abusive marriage this confederation. Would you stay with a cheating, money stealing, abusive wife for your whole life. Ask yourself that.
There is already a Liberal campaign started on social media to silence Alberta separatism. It is being called nebulous separatism and just paints this idea as grumbling minority losing conservatives in Alberta. As the socialist noose tightens on Alberta's economy, we will see how nebulous this really is.

AxeMan · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2019, 05:19:21 PM »

Oh man, I have have so much to say about this and I am obviously pissed off after the election last night.
I have cooled off enough to be rational about this now and that may take most Albertan's a few days or weeks to process and calm down.

Let me be rational, be patient with me. This an important discussion for all of us and I hope you all weigh in. Actually, after listening to Jason Kenney, Scott Moe, and Michelle Rempel speak today, I have some renewed sanity.

First thing we have to do above all else is to reject most of the media and what they have become. IMO, they are the reason that Trudeau gets away with the nation dividing policies that we are seeing and being supported by their paid off propaganda campaign. I just watched Scott Moe rip a strip off CBC's Vassy Kapelos when she asked him an incredibly stupid insulting question about challenging his authority to represent Saskatchewan citizens right to oppose Trudeau's carbon tax policy. He absolutely scolded her (he was visibly pissed off) and pointed out the obvious that he is their Premier and the vote last night proved their opposition to the carbon tax. She turned red and apologized for the insult. Then the CBC puts on a couple experts to talk about western alienation; Bob Rae and Alison Redford. Yup, 2 of the biggest traitor lefties possible.

So much talk about Wexit and the groups starting that campaign on FaceBook and a website. We have to be careful of the guys that might be trying to cash in on this. I know nothing of this Peter Downing guy who is pushing it on FaceBook. Let me tell you that FaceBook is the wrong place to make a movement like this successful. FaceBook is as Liberal as they come and will apply it's censorship in a heartbeat. It seems like he is pushing his merchandise and membership fees a bit too hard. Trying to make a buck on this? Reality does dictate that Jason Kenney and Scott Moe will have to lead this charge.

A separatist movement will take the proper leaders, time and patience, and a great deal of resolve from us the people. Quebec took decades to get where they are now with an organized legit separatist party. It started there in late sixties and 1970 with the FLQ and really blew up. They were lefty/Marxist separatists and violent. All the years of Rene Levesque and Jacgues Parizeau after that. Today they are legit again with some clout with Yves-François Blanchet.

One trick that Trudeau has up his sleeve that we must be very aware of. He bought the TMX from Kinder Morgan for a few reasons. The Liberal back room guys are foxes. First, he bought it to take the pressure off himself, giving him time to implement Bills C69 and C48. Second, he has that card in his pocket to deal it to the natives to appease them with our money. Third and most devious, he will eventually build it when the heat in Alberta and Saskatchewan gets too hot. He will take those profits and move in and scoop the oil royalties from Alberta with transfer payments and other harsher strategies. Trudeau has said many times he will use the oil revenue to transition to green energy and cancel Alberta oil. Trudeau building the new twinning of TMP will not be the golden goose that we might expect, he will expropriate that money. Let's not get suckered. Let him build it, then we can "firewall" ourselves and screw him over.

artie · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2019, 08:05:47 AM »

If we have separation what happens to my Canada Pension cheque and my old age security cheque

AxeMan · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2019, 11:13:39 AM »

Quote from: artie on October 24, 2019, 08:05:47 AM

If we have separation what happens to my Canada Pension cheque and my old age security cheque

I would expect the Cheques would have "Republic of Western Canada" printed on the top of the cheque.
That is money that you/we already paid into and will receive back. It is not Trudeau's....lol.
Quebec's is already separate.
Trudeau can still sign the cheques for Ontario, Altlantic Canada, and Vancouver. His severely divided country will be quite a bit smaller, not to mention hugely in debt too. If we go, Quebec goes too, that is a no brainer.

greylynx · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2019, 02:53:34 PM »

I wonder if Justin will ever send the RCMP and Army into Alberta like the province was a big Okotoks. I remember watching Daddy on black and white tv saying "just watch me" when he implemented the war measures act in Quebec.

Walleyes · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2019, 03:08:14 PM »

Daniel Smith has some good points here. The problem with separation is as Jason Kenny has stated, it still leaves Alberta land locked which doesn’t solve a lot for us.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/smith-alberta-heres-how-to-stop-being-a-national-doormat

greylynx · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2019, 03:27:56 PM »

Thanks Walleyes: I was looking for that article when Danielle Smith mentioned it on her talk show this morning.

She had a really good show this morning, also dealing with the Butterfield Foundation. What is being taught to our little tyke's?

You can listen to it on the QR77 radio vault.....I think.

guido · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2019, 03:50:50 PM »

Switzerland is landlocked.

AxeMan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2019, 04:02:57 PM »

Read this guys take on "landlocked". Makes some sense.
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble

How about this fact if the western provinces separated:
BC lower mainland would be cut off from Ontario and the Maritimes cut off too by Quebec's certain separation if we go.
No doubt deals would be made and we would have a lot of bargaining power to get access to tide water ports. More than we have now.

Danielle Smith: Well she talks a good game, but has a track record that speaks for itself. She threw her Premiership in the trashcan by running over to the Progressives.

AxeMan · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2019, 04:44:49 PM »

This video is a year old and the sentiment has grown exponentially since then.
A good review though, and it addresses the "landlocked" problem. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea

VoteWexit.com is now at 243,655 members and growing like crazy. That is a indicator that can't be ignored.

Think about this for a second!
Trudeau and Morneau have basically outlined their plan to shut down oil and gas production in Alberta and the TMP pipeline strategy they have is just a vehicle to do exactly that.

They have already spent $4.5B on buying TMP and will spend up to another $9.3B for the TMX project.
They have said in the end they plan to sell it and put those dollars straight to green energy.
They announced today that they will take every cent of profit and revenue generated by TMP and put towards green energy.
Trudeau announced in no uncertain terms that he intends to close down the oilsands in the not so far future.
His carbon tax policy is punishing the use of petroleum products and their future.
Bills C69 and C48 intend to shut down energy exports.

Staying in Canada in a death sentence to the west's energy future!

Walleyes · « **Reply #19 on:** October 24, 2019, 05:01:15 PM »

Quote from: AxeMan on October 24, 2019, 04:02:57 PM

Read this guys take on "landlocked". Makes some sense.
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble

How about this fact if the western provinces separated:
BC lower mainland would be cut off from Ontario and the Maritimes cut off too by Quebec's certain separation if we go.
No doubt deals would be made and we would have a lot of bargaining power to get access to tide water ports. More than we have now.

Danielle Smith: Well she talks a good game, but has a track record that speaks for itself. She threw her Premiership in the trashcan by running over to the Progressives.

We wouldn’t for one minute want the island or the lower mainland BC, then we would be out numbered by socialists to the point a lot of them are border line communists nope if we leave we don’t want them in our confederation.