Author Topic: Alberta Separation Thread (Read 2219 times)

Walleyes · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2019, 05:08:49 PM »

Quote from: guido on October 24, 2019, 03:50:50 PM

Switzerland is landlocked.

According to a UN directive no country can be cut off from access to water but with that said would they allow Alberta access to ship bitumen, I doubt it.

AxeMan · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2019, 05:16:34 PM »

Quote from: Walleyes on October 24, 2019, 05:01:15 PM

We wouldn’t for one minute want the island or the lower mainland BC, then we would be out numbered by socialists to the point a lot of them are border line communists nope if we leave we don’t want them in our confederation.

Exactly, and that is what I said. Trudeau's Canada would consist of BC Lower Mainland, Ontario, and the Maritimes. All of them separated from each other.

guido · « **Reply #22 on:** October 24, 2019, 05:48:33 PM »

Quote from: Walleyes on October 24, 2019, 05:08:49 PM

According to a UN directive no country can be cut off from access to water but with that said would they allow Alberta access to ship bitumen, I doubt it.

Be a pretty good reason to build a refinery.

greylynx · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2019, 04:45:40 PM »

Quote from: guido on October 24, 2019, 05:48:33 PM

Be a pretty good reason to build a refinery.

And an effing Huge one. Around Redwater and Bruderheim.

Walleyes · « **Reply #24 on:** November 04, 2019, 01:19:04 PM »

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-alberta-needs-a-new-deal-fast-or-separation-is-inevitable

greylynx · « **Reply #25 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:03:08 PM »

Diane Francis. I remember her from 1995.

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1995/6/5/a-case-against-rocks-gun-controls

Deja Vu 24 years after C-68.

Justin's new gun ban is apparently coming later this month.

I wonder how Kenney will address this new law.

AxeMan · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2019, 04:49:29 PM »

Well, Trudeau appoints Anne McLellan to represent us in the west.

Any non-separation believers left now?

greylynx · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2019, 06:58:10 PM »

Quote from: AxeMan on November 05, 2019, 04:49:29 PM

Well, Trudeau appoints Anne McLellan to represent us in the west.
Any non-separation believers left now?

OMG. Annie ban your gun McLellan. What a slap in the face to Alberta.

That Kenney better get off his ass and start doing something before Christmas.

Addendum: What a horrible excuse for Justin attempting to say "l I tried to reconciliate with Alberta".

Walleyes · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2019, 02:22:44 PM »

At least Kenny is giving them something to think about out east and nit just laying down and taking it like we have for do many years now.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kenney-reveals-fair-deal-plan-to-assess-alberta-run-pension-police-and-tax-collection

greylynx · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2019, 02:53:12 PM »

^^^
From Walleye's post:

Kenney wants a provincial firearms office.

What in the heck is this going to involve?

agritech · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2019, 12:23:57 AM »

Canada has changed, we now have basically four Socialist parties who all are or support the Liberals. In a fair election we can never win. I am sure many of us didn't really want to Separate but now there is no other choice, and the more I think about it we are way over due. There will be many negotiations to work through, but many new countries around the world have been formed in the last 15 years that didn't have any where near the economic capabilities we have.

I can see the NewWest eventually being one of the richest countries in the world. I go on Kenneys twitter and Facebook every day asking why they (him and Moe) are still trying to negotiate with Socialist, its like the last 4 years have taught them nothing . After the slap in the face Kenney and Moe have got recently from Trudeau, I think they will finally get on board, and Kenney has already proposed some much needed changes that we can start doing now, as we will need them for Separation anyway.

I wish Kenney would appoint a Minister of Separation and Sovereignty we need to show many who are still on the fence or worried about Separation that this is serious. A SEPARATION REFERENDUM is imminent I believe and people need to educate themselves on what Separation will mean, so when the vote day comes they are confident that Separation is the only option we have if we want to live in a democratic country again. Pretty pissed that Kenney has put the word out to all the UCP to stay quite on Separation as I bet many of them are all for it. The WEXIT movement will soon be a recognized party in Alberta and I believe the next majority government in Alberta will be a Separatist party. Kenney and the UCP can support it, and join it or they will just become a bad memory.

Some interesting numbers
Alberta GDP 338 billion
Alberta CPP has a 2.9 billion net contribution
Removal of Equalization 13 billion
Federal Taxes Net 20 billion
Removal of RCMP......PRICELESS

DEBT to GDP ratio
BC-15%
AB-8.7% Our over 600 billion in equalization contributions to Canada should come in handy here for negotiations.
SK-15.4%
MB.-34.2%
ONT-37.6%
QUE-43%
NB-40%
NS-34.2%
PEI-33%
NFLD-47.3%

Walleyes · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2019, 04:32:45 PM »

This is the piece of shit that has happy socks ear. Don’t tell me these two don’t sit there and laugh at the west and scheme to screw it royaley. The SOB comes out and plainly says screw the west he has 0 interest in building any bridges with Alberta. This is the guy the leader of our country plays to and people actually see reason in staying in confederation are you fricking kidding me.

There is no place for Alberta to go but on its own.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/bloc-leader-blanchet-shows-little-sympathy-for-calls-for-western-independence-as-he-meets-trudeau

AxeMan · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2019, 04:47:26 PM »

Yup, Canada is done, put a fork in it.
We made that call 4 years ago when a Trudeau became PM again.
Oh ya, that Blanchett can suck it.

greylynx · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2019, 07:45:42 PM »

Manning "wanted in" as we all remember.

Now they want us out. Let us turn our expulsion out of Canada into a good thing.

What is happening today is far worse than the NEP. But we survived the NEP and we did nothing.

Addendum: I stopped by the other forum, and all they are allowed to discuss is Don Cherry. You see what happens when a business operates on government funding . Banned speech.

Sooner · « **Reply #34 on:** November 14, 2019, 09:57:04 AM »

This Blanchett guy is so smug, freakin boils my blood when he talks. He knows he has turdo in his palm until the government falls. How a separatist party was ever given a stage in our federal politics is baffling.

BruceW · « **Reply #35 on:** December 19, 2019, 06:39:38 AM »

Been awhile.
Far as being landlocked, IMO it's a non issue. Think about what percentage of ont's products and consumer goods cross the prairies by train or truck to/from the west coast. For once the prairies would have a bargaining chip with teeth. Can't get our goods to market? Neither can you.

Further, klein built hwy 2 big wide twinned N/S down to Ft Macleod. Drive to the end wondering why that big hwy was put it, when you get to the S end it dawns on you that 60mi S is the border. Put a set of train tracks beside it and a pipeline between and we have free access with our cousins to the S.

May also be surprised, but I suspect yukon and nwt might be a lot more amenable to working with the prairies than ottawa thinks. Large part of the pipeline is already in place. Not that far to the alaskan yards and people who Want our business.

Far as pension, it would likely go up. As mentioned, take off the transfer pmts, and much larger all the federal tax we pay it'd be like Christmas every single day of the year.

Far as our own military, we already have established well trained and Very capable reserve units in place; there's your base to start from. With the sudden windfall of not carrying the rest of the country equipment would be pocket change.

Add in personal freedom, property rights and no more dictation of social issues from ottawa, that's a lot of plus's. Our freedoms have been selectively and carefully eroded by successive left wing gov't's who's end goal is obvious. They want everything we have, they just don't want us owning or profiting from it.

No one here wants to play ball? Becoming the 51st state is definitely an option. Instant equal say in gov't and access to all the world markets not to mention a proper constitution. Remember the US is a Republic, not a democracy. They did it right.

The way things are all canada offers the west is hardship, dictation and taxation without representation.

As stated kenney and moe are fooling themselves and wasting time. IMPO kenney talks the talk but is really saying whatever he thinks will put him in good stead for a pm run in a few years. Big talk about a prov. police force then hires 500 rc's for eg. Moe talks big then quietly announces he wants to bring in 200,000 "refugee's" next year. Neither one of them is fooling me.
I've backed cpc since before the reform party was formed. IMPO it's morphed back to the left wing pc's. All they care about is getting votes from S. ont, paying lip service to the west when necessary and then forgetting about us.....again, and again, and again.

I figure the wexit mtg's attendance numbers this winter will tell the tale. One an hour from us end of Jan. Gonna go give a listen. Platform looks good but haven't seen the bylaws yet until the parties are formed.

edit: the media's been trying hard not to have wexit in the news. Just because nothings been on the major gov't bribed, "news" doesn't mean it's not gaining steam. Let's pay attention to the attendance numbers, that's the only poll that means anything.

AxeMan · « **Reply #36 on:** December 19, 2019, 09:16:46 PM »

Bruce, agree with you 100%.

The last part about the media is really bang on. The wexit will come from the very grass roots working man in a real palpable/tangible movement driven by the sensible reality of Alberta's situation. The lefty media will try to squash it because socialist governments and lefty media go hand in hand in a cycle of self preservation. Put it this way, for a real Albertan: when the times get tough, the tough get going. The rest can leave or just F off. Canada is done, just like the USA divide is irreparable.

W101 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 20, 2019, 10:58:37 PM »

This is impetus to make seperation seem reasonable .
Harsh but to the point .

W101 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 22, 2019, 12:00:50 PM »

Have not seen much on here about the 51 st State
option ....Facebook is busy with this idea.

I can think of a lot of pluses , ...bear in mind Truedope sees
Us as part of the Chinese state . He has already purchased
property in New York State close to the UN .
Have you noticed how much Trump has unfunded the UN
what a great guy.

Thoughts

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MERRY XMAS EVERYONE.

Walleyes · « **Reply #39 on:** December 22, 2019, 12:29:15 PM »

My issue with the 51 state is Trump won't be in forever and if you look at some of their options on the left well, no thank you. Their left is as far off the map as the Dippers.

Separation is a threat and in reality nothing more. I cant see it ever happening and I don't think we really want it. Just more freedom as a province and more control of our destiny is what I would prefer. There's no way at this point in time we would ever garner the votes needed if it came down to it.

I don't consider myself a Canadian unless I have to for legal things, I'm an Albertan anyways so in reality I makes no difference to me what they call me.