Author Topic: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms  (Read 5179 times)

BruceW

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Re: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 04:58:22 PM »
There's breaking news on sunnewsnetwork that Mr. Teows is, within days, enacting legislation that will kick the feet out from under these empire building king wannabe cfo's.

Story says, "within days".  The scuttlebut I've read says, "We'll like it, the cfo's won't".

Need an icon for a free man dancing on the grave of a dictator.   ;D


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Re: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2012, 06:08:56 PM »
Was down and Bass Pro and asked the guys at gun counter if they are keeping a ledger, which they said they were. So I challenged them on it. I asked why. The guy sais "it shows we are doing due diligence on firearms", so I felt pretty annoyed with that so I asked them isn't me showing my PAL your due diligence.
No it isn't.  The retailers have to be able to prove that the person they sold the firearm to is a valid license holder.  That will never change.  It's the same as it was before.  Records are also kept in case of safety recalls.  Anyone remember the T/C Venture debacle last year?  How does a reatiler get in touch with gun owners regarding these issues?  Most guys bitch about having to leave info but they are the same ones that would try and sue a store if they weren't made aware of a safety issue after the sale of the product.  Its a no win for the retailers.   
No proper reply really so I asked them who told them to do that was it the store or was it required by the Government, then the stuttering started and I asked again who told them to do it and why are they doing it, and the arsehole says "well no one told us to stop doing it" so I said "well the ministers letter was pretty clear as was the RCMPs what part of it didn't Bass Pro understand and he says again no one told them to stop doing it and its been done that way since 1979.
And you accomplished nothing.  What people have to realize is that retailers will never answer to the federal minister.  Should they?  Yes.  Will they?  Not unless Toews changes the way things work from now.  Retailers have to follow the rules set forth by the CFO.  The CFO is the one to blame here.  The retailers have to comply with the CFO or they can and will lose their right to sell firearms.  Harass the CFO.  He is the one that is breaking the law.  He is the one that makes the rules for the retailers to follow.  We just get to deal with the arseholes, your word not mine, that think they know how things work because they read it on the internet.
You harassed Dwayne, who is actually an archery employee.  He was just over there to try and lend a hand to get the lineup of customers cleared up faster.  So he gets bitched about for doing his best to try and give some good customer service.  Nice.  I was there but didn't get a chance to address your question as I was with a customer.  Did you talk to the manager?  No.  Did you ask to?  I don't think you did.  Why bust the sales counter guys balls for nothing he has control over?  Tell us how he was an arsehole?  I was standing right there.  He was calm and polite when answering you.  No he didn't have a correct answer that satisfied you.  Fine.  Like I said he is an archery guy primarily, just trying to help customers and lessen the line wait.  It would be great if every employee had an outstanding and dazzling answer for every customer that walks thru the door.  That unfortunately isn't reality anywhere and never will be.
You weren't really engaging yourself by the way. Folding your arms, shaking your head and rolling your eyes?  Why was he an arsehole?  Just because he didn't have the answer that satisfied you?  Come on Paul.  That just isn't fair.
Needless to say I was pretty irritated with the whole thing, so irritated I am going to call Bass Pro corporate and the ministers office and write a few letters. I would suggest we buy our guns at the places that understand the law and understand when they are told to stop doing something. Anyone know if WSS and some of the smaller guys are keeping ledgers?
All the retailers will be keeping info or they risk losing their sales priveleges.  If some want to buck the system then good for them but don't expect it to be the rule.  Would you risk going against the government if it meant losing your business?  No you wouldn't and neither will the retailers.  Writing to the minister or BPS headquarters will be nothing but a waste of time.  For you and them.  Toews knows there is a problem.  BPS or WSS or P&D have to follow the rules set out by the CFO.  Hands are tied.

For what its worth fellas...
Why do guys think they can be dicks to the guys behind the counter?  Does it make guys feel good?  Big and strong maybe?  If I'm rude to a customer, I have it coming.  I get that.  (I'm not by the way.)  But if I am polite and courteous why do guys think they have carte blanche to be an ass?  Show some respect to the folks at any gun counter.  They are mostly underpayed and usually understaffed.  If you want to change things, get a part time job at one of these stores and show everyone else how its done.  Make a difference.  Most of these stores need staff and are practically begging for help.  That's why you see kids behind these counters that aren't really knowledgeable.  Maybe if more folks gave this a try for a few months they'd get an appreciation for what things are like before being a dick to the fella that is just trying to make a buck. 

Sorry for the rant but it gets old after a while.
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Re: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2012, 08:47:25 PM »
No you're right Cowtown guy, I shouldn't have said that, I took my frustration with the whole thing and vented, the guy wasn't an arsehole, but he had no idea what he was talking about and shouldn't have said anything in that case, do you agree? I had no idea he was the archery guy. So was the guy who sold me the binocs the archery guy or the slim red head guy the archery guy? Because the guy that sold me the binocs admitted he knew nothing about it and didn't address it.

And for the record I wasn't rude or standoffish either, I was calm and polite and asked my questions.

Furthermore if the CFO is telling them they have to then again, not their fault. But that should be the answer. "We are doing it because the CFO told us to". When someone says its "due diligence" that makes it sound like they fully support it and are doing it of their own accord.

And thanks for taking the time to clarify. Next time I'm in I will track you down and no I won't call you an arse after lol
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Re: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2012, 10:16:26 PM »
No you're right Cowtown guy, I shouldn't have said that, I took my frustration with the whole thing and vented, the guy wasn't an arsehole, but he had no idea what he was talking about and shouldn't have said anything in that case, do you agree? I had no idea he was the archery guy. So was the guy who sold me the binocs the archery guy or the slim red head guy the archery guy? Because the guy that sold me the binocs admitted he knew nothing about it and didn't address it.

And for the record I wasn't rude or standoffish either, I was calm and polite and asked my questions.

Furthermore if the CFO is telling them they have to then again, not their fault. But that should be the answer. "We are doing it because the CFO told us to". When someone says its "due diligence" that makes it sound like they fully support it and are doing it of their own accord.

And thanks for taking the time to clarify. Next time I'm in I will track you down and no I won't call you an arse after lol

Agreed that he should have known what was going on.  I took him aside and told him later.  Unfortunately when one guy doesn't know he should find somebody and ask but often they don't.  It makes everyone look bad and I hate that. 

I don't know who the slim redhead is.  If we get really busy they kinda throw anyone up there sometimes to get the lines cleared if they can.  There just isn't enough people applying with any firearms knowledge or even a PAL to staff the counter.  I started 2 years ago and my employee number is just under 600.  They are up to almost double that now!  Bloody ridiculous.  That's what you get for 11 bucks an hour.

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BruceW

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Re: Bass Pro still keeping ledger on non restricted firearms
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2012, 04:01:27 PM »
Excellent news!