Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline

[Paul]

I see a fair bit of opposition to Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, but you know what it's a lot of hypocrisy. Anyone that has a truck, car, boat, atv, lawnmower or anything else that burns fuel has no right to oppose anything to do with the oil industry. People are so self centered and self important that they feel they are the only ones allowed to burn fossil fuel? Do they not realize there are other pipelines running directly from Alberta to British Columbia, including right through Jasper National Park? When is the last time you heard about a spill on those lines? So why is the Northern Gateway pipeline more likely to suddenly explode and leak oil everywhere? Anyway, just saying...

[walleyes]

People are stupid thats why,, no really they are. They just can't sit back and look at what is going on and what it takes to get the product they use.. The dumb thing is,, some of the biggest proponents of these projects are the biggest users. All those native bands apposing this they should just cut off their gas, gasoline, lights. Shut er all down for about 6 weeks then they might stop yapping.. Same goes for these dumb ass celebrities that fly up on their Jets and complain about our dirty oil,, like really. How utterly STUPID can a human be. They consider themselves intelligent ?? DUMD ASS thats the term..

[JIMMY 808]

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[wildmeat]

give someone any reason whatsoever to bitch about something and they generally always will... it is misinformed and under educated people that ruin alot of good things for alot of people just because they "think" or "someone else said" it "might" harm them in some way. 

These people need to get better informed

But in the end maybe its a good thing if the line isnt allowed to go through. The US might have to start tapping into their own underground oil supply which i know they will not until the rest of the worlds oil is used first.

[AxeMan]

Actually, the intent of the Northern Gateway Pipeline is to open up far east markets like China, India, and Japan to our oil and thus giving us the freedom to tell Obama to pound sand and deal with "clean" oil producers like Libya,Iran, and Saudi......lol.

And you guys are correct, it is the hypocrites and the uninformed that are doing all the bitching.

[Paul]

I really get a charge out of the "boycott and don't buy dirty oilsands oil" people. Anyone that knows anything about it knows this. All the refineries are tied together. So are the major tank farms and pipeline systems. Oil is pooled to wherever there is room. Like anyone would have a ****ing clue which oil was "dirty". Like they would have any idea whether that gallon of fuel came from Oklahoma, Wabasca, or Saudi.

[Joe Fehr]

Alot of the protest is from First Nations actually, they don't want it going through their sacred lands. Of course for the right dollar amount they will allow it!  The environmentalists are the biggest bunch of idiots out there, this pipeline will transport natural gas and LNG to Asia where it will be used to lessen the dependance on oil for manufacturing and nuclear power ( which they don't like anymore ) The government needs to push harder to get this put in IMHO

[Rocky7]

Foreign NGO's have sent $300M dollars over the last decade or so to environmental organizations in Canada that are willing to advance their interests.  Those include the notorious Tides Foundation, and fronts for the Venezuela and Saudi governments.  It's pretty easy to see why Venezuela and Saudi want to keep AB oil off the world market. $300M is a lot of money and it buys a lot of propaganda.

Bob Rae just announced that the Dipper Party supports a ban on oil tankers off the West Coast.  That is a move that was started by Trudeau in the 1970's as part of his NEP plan to steal western oil and gas - first he prevented AB from reaching export markets.  The names change and the rhetoric changes but it's always the same - natural resources belong to the Provinces except for AB and SK.  Ontario keeps it's hydro.  Ontario keeps it's gold.  However, AB oil belongs to the East.

Time to go, IMO.  Way past time, actually.

[BruceW]

The US economy's toast and about to implode.   The US gov't plugging their ears and saying, "Nananana I can't hear you" will not make the reality of their situation last much past the coming election.  The only way Germany and England are going to survive is to kick the rest of the EU to the curb.

Not only does Canada need to find a second basket for our eggs, but western Canada needs to be in a position to opt out of programs that are contrary to our economic survival.  I for one am pretty suspect since whenever it's about dirty oil, it's, "Alberta's Oilsands".  When it's time to cash the cheque, it's suddenly, "Canada's Oilsands".

I don't know what's going to happen with the world economy, but it's a safe bet the only true, "dirty" oil from the middle east is going to be in crisis for the next lifetime or so at minimum.  To think otherwise is simply childish and unrealistic.

People say not to shop at wally world as to not support communist china, well that's all well and good, but I've looked, and there's pretty much not a damn thing that's not made in china nowdays.  Past and present gov'ts want to keep pushing this free trade, anti protectionism, open borders, well the seeds have grown and it's nearly harvest time. 

Create a situation where your local people cannot compete don't bitch when there's nowhere to buy milk anymore.

[Rocky7]

I for one am pretty suspect since whenever it's about dirty oil, it's, "Alberta's Oilsands".  When it's time to cash the cheque, it's suddenly, "Canada's Oilsands".

Too true.

Thing is, it's our oil and it's not dirty - it's just got a lot of sand in it.  And we've got lots.

[Joe Fehr]

It's only dirty oil to foreign countries that are afraid Alberta is going to become a major player in the global oil markets and environmentalists that think the world can run on rainbows and lollipops!

[walleyes]

It's only dirty oil to foreign countries that are afraid Alberta is going to become a major player in the global oil markets and environmentalists that think the world can run on rainbows and lollipops!

Lol,, rainbows and lollipops,,   

[Rocky7]

Bob Rae just announced the Liberal Party is now in favour of a ban on tankers on the West Coast (although American tankers did not attract his attention over the last umpteen years).

Trudeau did the same thing in the '70's to set the stage for the NEP by first blocking exports and trying to wall in Alberta oil.

One day, they'll go too far and then most Albertans will think the way I do.

[walleyes]

Bob Rae just announced the Liberal Party is now in favour of a ban on tankers on the West Coast (although American tankers did not attract his attention over the last umpteen years).

Trudeau did the same thing in the '70's to set the stage for the NEP by first blocking exports and trying to wall in Alberta oil.

One day, they'll go too far and then most Albertans will think the way I do.

I think most "Albertans" already think like you do Rocky,, its these bleeding heart Nationlist that live in lalla land that don't think like we do. 

[Rocky7]

I hope you're right, Walleyes.  I want something better for my kids and it's not gonna happen as long as we're subject to that giant sucking sound in the East.

[nube]

Maybe off topic a bit but I know I am so pissed at the Gov't right now about oil!  We sell it to the US for cheap.  Then they charge us an arm and a leg for Gas here.  It doesn't help me any giving the oil away.  Would be nice to get something back in return.  Before I get blasted I do see the positives and it's nice we have jobs here but right now I am feeling a little pissy with feeling I am getting screwed.  Taxes are going up more than the yearly wage increases.  Money wasted on Gov't programs and I have had enough.   

[Rocky7]

We sell it to the US for cheap.

No, we don't.  You're thinking about the Liberal NEP scheme.

Money wasted on Gov't programs and I have had enough.   

Get in line.

[nube]

Why is US gasoline cheaper? 

[Dewey]

The above posts show an attitude that is more representative of Alberta, than of BC, where the major part of this pipeline would be located. There was a demonstration in Prince Rupert, yesterday, of several hundred citizens, who are opposed to this project and I expect that will grow rapidly throughout BC.

The "Athabaska Tarsands" are Alberta's, no question about that, however, the land, rivers,lakes and coastline which this pipeline will cross are BC's and many here do not see an advantage for BC in allowing this to be built. So, it seems to be a problem and I seriously doubt that this line will be built. I may be wrong, but, this is the impression I get here in Vancouver, from most people I speak with on this issue.

The "indians" have major clout here, now, courtesy of CJoC Antonio Lamer, etc. and they will oppose it and I doubt that they will accept $$$$$$ to change their positions as they have another agenda. The hunting, fishing, tourist and agricultural sectors of BC will oppose it and so will the NDP opposition, who are almost certainly the next BC government...it ain't a "done deal" by any stretch.

Breaking up Confederation over this?  What about those of us who are loyal to Canada and the descendants of WWI and WWII veterans, are we going to quietly stand by and see our country shattered by a minority over a pipeline......not likely and I doubt that most Albertans wouid even consider it. After all, whose coast would you fish for Salmon on, then? 

[walleyes]

The above posts show an attitude that is more representative of Alberta, than of BC, where the major part of this pipeline would be located. There was a demonstration in Prince Rupert, yesterday, of several hundred citizens, who are opposed to this project and I expect that will grow rapidly throughout BC.

The "Athabaska Tarsands" are Alberta's, no question about that, however, the land, rivers,lakes and coastline which this pipeline will cross are BC's and many here do not see an advantage for BC in allowing this to be built. So, it seems to be a problem and I seriously doubt that this line will be built. I may be wrong, but, this is the impression I get here in Vancouver, from most people I speak with on this issue.

The "indians" have major clout here, now, courtesy of CJoC Antonio Lamer, etc. and they will oppose it and I doubt that they will accept $$$$$$ to change their positions as they have another agenda. The hunting, fishing, tourist and agricultural sectors of BC will oppose it and so will the NDP opposition, who are almost certainly the next BC government...it ain't a "done deal" by any stretch.

Breaking up Confederation over this?  What about those of us who are loyal to Canada and the descendants of WWI and WWII veterans, are we going to quietly stand by and see our country shattered by a minority over a pipeline......not likely and I doubt that most Albertans wouid even consider it. After all, whose coast would you fish for Salmon on, then? 

Oh make no mistake about it,, it will get built just a matter of when not if. The world needs the resources a few hundred socalist hippes in commie land aren't going to stop it. No,, there will be an agreement met and the line will go in. As far a benifits to BC,, what will they do if Albertans have no work and don't go to BC and spend their money how will you all survive then,, can't sell that much pot !!!