Author Topic: Gun registry vote today (Read 2008 times)

nube · « **on:** February 15, 2012, 02:55:59 PM »

AS far as I know this is it for the gun registry if all goes well tonight. I will believe it when I see it but tonights the last step I think.
That being said I am sure Quebec will try to appeal or change things to still keep the info around.

AxeMan · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2012, 04:20:12 PM »

"The Harper government has finally won House of Commons approval for scrapping the controversial long-gun registry.

The Conservatives used their majority to pass the bill by a vote of 159-130, with the support of maverick New Democrats Bruce Hyer and John Rafferty.

All other opposition MPs voted against it."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/two-new-democrats-side-with-tories-on-final-gun-registry-vote/article2339883/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Politics&utm_content=2339883

Done deal. If Quebec tries to keep any of the data there will be hell to pay.
Should we celebrate with 3 shots each from the front porch, eh Nube!

walleyes · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2012, 04:38:11 PM »

Right on boys,, best news to come out of the east for a while..

Tuc · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2012, 05:00:14 PM »

It's finally gone!

Paul · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2012, 06:28:29 PM »

So what happens now? Can I rip up my registration papers? What about guns that were never registered *cough* are they legal again?

walleyes · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2012, 07:37:21 PM »

Paul,, you never had unregistered guns did you ?? lol.. If they only knew how many a guy really has eh lol.

I just bought a new one last Sat, wonder of they are going to bother sending me the paper work on it ?? be interesting to see.

Paul · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2012, 08:49:20 PM »

Massive cluster**** in the end. Its quite likely there are just as many unregistered unrestricted long rifles and shotguns in Canada as there are registered.

nube · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2012, 10:27:14 PM »

I'd like a few answers as well Paul. I need to figure it out before my trip to Africa. Nothing like loosing a $4000 rifle on the way home because I didn't have the right paperwork

BruceW · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2012, 08:15:25 AM »

Despite the Conservative's celebrating on national TV it's far from over yet.

Next stop the senate, where the whole dog and pony show starts over. There will be debates where the lib senators can restate all the same heartstring tugs while completely ignoring both easily proven fact and reality itself. Not to mention filibusters to drag it out further.
Then there will be senate votes.

Eventually once the senate has earned their multi digit salaries it "Should" pass with no problem since there is also a tory majority there.

Finally, the bill then goes to the Gov. Gen. for, "Royal Assent". Then, and only then is it actually done.

I've read an estimate of June, I'll be surprised if it's finally dead before the end of the 2012 hunting season.

Sorry guys, wish I could be more positive. It Will die, but not anytime soon, and meanwhile the RCMP is busy reclassifying guns arbitrarily, unelected judges are, "interpreting" law, and Quebec is lobbying hard to find a way to keep some facet of it alive, with, of course the support in this endeavor of our unelected leader REDford.

It eventually Will pass, and we'll be done with it, but it ain't over, not by a long shot.

Paul · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2012, 10:20:34 AM »

Quote from: BruceW on February 16, 2012, 08:15:25 AM

It Will die, but not anytime soon, and meanwhile the RCMP is busy reclassifying guns arbitrarily, unelected judges are, "interpreting" law, and Quebec is lobbying hard to find a way to keep some facet of it alive, with, of course the support in this endeavor of our unelected leader REDford.

What are they reclassifying Bruce?

If you did get caught with an unregistered hunting rifle I highly doubt you would be charged, they will likely seize it though.

BruceW · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2012, 11:32:31 AM »

I'm not really up on that, recently I read on that Cdn "evil gun lobby site" about some .22 getting reclassified. I've no interest in, "black" guns, but from what I read there were some confiscations without renumeration and a lot of people really upset over it. While it was nothing that affects me personally(other than basic rights meaning nothing), it raised my interest since from what I read there was no reason for the change, other than the gun, "looked" scary.

What worries me about that is the gun control business featuring ms Wendy culkier has been pushing for a ban on all semi autos, and that would mean my waterfowl 12ga. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a second believe anyone thinks they could slip that one by before the end of the lgr but also make no mistake, the anti gun lobby is a business, it's big business, and donations are good.
Any small, "victories" they get likely put a lot of money in their coffers. Point being, we cannot afford to just assume all is well, until the lgr is actually no more, by law. Until that time I have no doubt the other side is working hard to find some underhanded way of sticking the knife in just one more time, and reclassification is a likely avenue.

Quite frankly if truth were known I'd be surprised if half those involved in the anti gun business could actually care one way or the other, I'll bet for many it's simply business, and if they weren't doing what they're doing they'd be running some other scam charity. I assume this because facts, history, and sometimes even reality mean nothing to their arguements.

I'll see if I can find that info again.

BruceW · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2012, 11:39:33 AM »

A quick search and I found this:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/RCMP+confiscate+more+guns+before+registry+ends/5957717/story.html

and this:
http://www.nfa.ca/news/rcmp-reclassifying-firearms-and-rifle-stocks-run-end-long-gun-registration

I couldn't find the original one I read, but I'm pretty sure it was the same ones?

nube · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:59:24 PM »

I guess one question is if we screwed up trying to get rid of the registry or not. If they are just going to change things around so the guns get taken away from us then that is not cool either. What's next? They might change the law that we can only hunt with single shots and all other guns are illegal?

Paul · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2012, 05:22:37 PM »

Everything comes with a price. Perhaps there is a hidden agenda. A politician is a politician, and Harpers just another politician, I try not to be so idealistic to think he's any different from the likes of Prime Ministers past, and future. Junk like Jean Cretian and Brian Mulroney. Truly the scum of the earth.

walleyes · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2012, 06:33:47 PM »

They always need something hanging over the people don't they, some sort of leverage or angle they can work.. Why can't yes just be yes and no, no ??

BruceW · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2012, 05:12:03 PM »

Quote from: nube on February 16, 2012, 01:59:24 PM

What's next? They might change the law that we can only hunt with single shots and all other guns are illegal?

This, Nube, is EXACTLY what happened in England, and I believe, Australia!

The difference here is enough people REFUSED to comply with the gun registry. Make no mistake, the registry is not being rescinded for any other reason than the simple fact that an unarrestable number of citizens refused to obey the law! It was always about confiscation, nothing less.

Paul · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:16:30 PM »

Bruce has a good point, don't kid yourself that the RCMP doesn't have a huge list of people they suspect have firearms but have nothing registered. People that had FAC's and POL's but nothing registered. They then did away with the POL and forced everyone to require a PAL, the POL was just a tactic to see how many people may own firearms with no plans to buy more. Obtaining a POL was essentially an admission that you own guns. For them to check out every residence of the people on that list would be impossible.

wildmeat · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2012, 08:47:51 PM »

ill admit... i have a few that were never registered or ever will be... i never kept them in the house or in my possession... was kinda paranoid back in the day that they want a list of all guns so they can take them away one day if they need too... the way the world is going i still am kinda scared that this is what the registry was all about. cant be charged if they never find them or you dont possess them right?

Rocky7 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2012, 06:13:24 AM »

Quote from: BruceW on February 16, 2012, 11:32:31 AM

I'm not really up on that, recently I read on that Cdn "evil gun lobby site" about some .22 getting reclassified. I've no interest in, "black" guns, but from what I read there were some confiscations without renumeration and a lot of people really upset over it. While it was nothing that affects me personally.....

Of course it affects you personally - just not right now.

If the long gun owners and the short gun owners and the black gun owners don't stick together and stand up for each other, they all go down over time. That is exactly how this gun confiscation thing is done. Here's a good story about how it was done in Britain. All long gun owners who don't think these recent confiscations and irrational control of handguns and prohibiting mean-looking black guns are important, or affect them, or who think those "other" gun owners are not deserving of their own right to own and use a hand gun or a black gun should read it:

http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/11688/london-burning/

BruceW · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2012, 06:57:57 AM »

Good point Rocky.

It's always been more about public perception than anything. I remember seeing an ad displaying two identical rifles, one with a wood stock, the other all dressed up with bolt on black parts. Same gun, but one, "looked scarier" somehow to the left.

Author Topic: Gun registry vote today (Read 2008 times)

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