Author Topic: Jason Kenney Charging For Backcountry Use (Read 2245 times)

AxeMan · « **on:** March 15, 2019, 08:24:22 AM »

$30 permit fee.

Is this his counter to the NDP Bighorn and Castle plans?

https://globalnews.ca/news/5056604/alberta-ucp-leader-jason-kenney-pitches-30-permit-fees-for-trail-users-if-elected/

My thoughts:
Get the hell out of my wallet, damn governments. We already pay plenty of taxes.
Conservation ya, but there are already tax sources for that if they just choose to use it. ATV registration $, fishing and hunting license fees, regular taxes, enforcement fines.

Walleyes · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »

Yah not the ideal thing for sure but something we can work on them to change if they get in.

guido · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2019, 03:55:05 PM »

I have been in agreement of trail fees and random camping fees for years. As long as the existing trails stay, including the ones in the castle, livingstone and porkies that have been removed by our current govt. The fees should go towards trail maintenance and enforcement though. $30 is peanuts.

greylynx · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:38:58 PM »

Quote from: guido on March 15, 2019, 03:55:05 PM

I have been in agreement of trail fees and random camping fees for years. As long as the existing trails stay, including the ones in the castle, livingstone and porkies that have been removed by our current govt. The fees should go towards trail maintenance and enforcement though. $30 is peanuts.

Guido: Do you really think that 30 bucks is actually going to go into trail maintenance. That money is going into general revenues and a small percentage will come back for some piddley little bridge, or a couple of camp tables and a decrepit outhouse no one will go near..

I think random camping back in the Bighorn will also disappear very shortly.

Condos in Nordegg are in the future.

Walleyes · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:03:27 PM »

Yah I don’t have a big issue with user fees either. Boys there has to be money going into conservation and parks and the type, just has to be. The reality is in this day and age money gets tight for governments because every group has their hand out. If Kenny is going to cut taxes and pay off the dept then money for projects has to come from some place. I have no issue with this either as long as the money is put into it and not wasted on other things.

guido · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2019, 06:10:31 PM »

Quote from: greylynx on March 15, 2019, 04:38:58 PM

Guido: Do you really think that 30 bucks is actually going to go into trail maintenance. That money is going into general revenues and a small percentage will come back for some piddley little bridge, or a couple of camp tables and a decrepit outhouse no one will go near..

I think random camping back in the Bighorn will also disappear very shortly.

Condos in Nordegg are in the future.

Trail maintenance would be minor. In the castle area, the quadsquad took very good care of the trails AND purchased and installed bridges through fundraising.
There are no camp tables or outhouses in any of the random camping spots I have used. I guess that is what makes them random.
If you continue to vote in the NDP, there will be NO MORE random camping anywhere, not just the Bighorn.

If a small percentage of revenue goes back into trails, camping and enforcement, it would be WELL worth it.

AxeMan · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2019, 09:14:15 PM »

So what does our provincial income tax cover these days? I remember the days when we were able to maintain a bunch of forestry campsites free of charge.
Give an inch and these money spenders will take a mile. There will be a new charge at every turn you make.

Walleyes · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2019, 09:32:22 PM »

There was only 500,000 people in the province in those days axe, there wasn’t 200,000 quads running around in the bush, we walked 2 miles in the bush and turned around. There’s wasn’t 5,000 35’ fifth wheel trailers camped on every pull out on the forestry trunk road, there were 50 canvas tents. Times have changed boys we have to accept it.

greylynx · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2019, 09:55:43 PM »

Quote from: Walleyes on March 15, 2019, 09:32:22 PM

There was only 500,000 people in the province in those days axe, there wasn’t 200,000 quads running around in the bush, we walked 2 miles in the bush and turned around. There’s wasn’t 5,000 35’ fifth wheel trailers camped on every pull out on the forestry trunk road, there were 50 canvas tents. Times have changed boys we have to accept it.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Walleyes. The truth hurts.

Hammer spur · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2019, 11:04:00 PM »

But on the other side of the fact that our population has exploded at a ridiculous rate and therefore more usage so has the tax base.
You think that would even out in a way when it comes to funding these types of things.
I am fundamentally opposed to any sort of new tax or tax raise.
The 60%+ of our income that goes to various taxes is already beyond ridiculous.

LeverAction · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2019, 06:39:24 AM »

Anyone that has been in Alberta for more than 30 years is allowed on Crown Land, their kids and grandchildren get grandfathered in. The rest must stay to provincial and federal parks, see fixed it. 🍺🤪

Walleyes · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2019, 08:19:27 AM »

Quote from: LeverAction on March 16, 2019, 06:39:24 AM

Anyone that has been in Alberta for more than 30 years is allowed on Crown Land, their kids and grandchildren get grandfathered in. The rest must stay to provincial and federal parks, see fixed it. 🍺🤪

I love it, best idea yet.

AxeMan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2019, 08:20:39 AM »

Quote from: LeverAction on March 16, 2019, 06:39:24 AM

Anyone that has been in Alberta for more than 30 years is allowed on Crown Land, their kids and grandchildren get grandfathered in. The rest must stay to provincial and federal parks, see fixed it. 🍺🤪

Motion passed. Next.

Our little team here would make great government. Small amount of discussion and debate and then bam, a solution.

greylynx · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2019, 11:16:27 AM »

Quote from: AxeMan on March 16, 2019, 08:20:39 AM

Motion passed. Next.

Our little team here would make great government. Small amount of discussion and debate and then bam, a solution.

Next Motion:

Does Alberta really have to make transfer payments to the federal government? Naaaah.

LeverAction · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2019, 04:48:01 PM »

Nope, we are not longer part of Canada, voted and carried, next on the docket.

greylynx · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2019, 05:30:17 PM »

Next on the Docket:

How should we manage firearms in a new country called Alberta?

LeverAction · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2019, 06:12:36 PM »

Background check when you buy, quick data base thing. Nothing on your record your good to go. Ok to carry a hand gun in the bush/back country. Safe storage, I think most gun guys do that so not an issue, no registration it’s useless. Open to other options on here because common sense seems commonplace on this forum.

Mutter87 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2019, 05:14:29 PM »

I don’t see the issue

greylynx · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2019, 05:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Mutter87 on March 20, 2019, 05:14:29 PM

I don’t see the issue

How long have you camped back in there?

LeverAction · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2019, 08:04:09 PM »

I think I pay enough taxes to have free access to any part of my own Province, including the national parks. As it is now it’s there for foreigners, not Albertans. Let them pay. I see no problem with that!