Author Topic: Official C.F.L. Thread (Read 4811 times)

walleyes · « **on:** July 16, 2011, 09:15:11 AM »

Thought we may as well get a thread going about the games and keep it all here. Its already week 3 its about time to start throwing some predictions out there people.. So far things are a little different than I expected before the start of season .

I will start.

In the west.

Edmonton - Is actually doing a lot better than I expected. I anticipated them to really struggle for the first half of the season then just pull off a playoff spot. The way things are looking I say they quite easily make it into the playoffs with 12 wins. Then who really knows its anybody's game in the west.

Sask - The Riders are going to have one of their worst starts in recent memory. Marshall is not a head coach. He will rip the teams spirit apart,, all the so called loyal fans will call for a mutiny, old father time will get back behind the bench for the second half of the season but not in time to make a playoff spot close but they won't make it.

Calgary - Will again finish top in the west they are strong just needed to get their heads out of their asses the first couple games then they will roll again. They will have their losses but will finnish great. Then again in the playoffs who knows.

B.C. - I know I have been saying it for 2 years now,, this is B.C.'s year they are going to get it together and really be a strong contender. It will be B.C. and Edmn for the west semi with Edmn on top then off to play Calgy for the west final.

The East.

Montreal - What can you say about Montreal,, what a team they definitely are the team of the last decade and with Calvillo playing the way he is and heck he still has a couple good years in him.. They definitely finish top in the east again by a long shot.

Toronto, Winnipeg, Hamilton - I will some up all together not only because I am tired of writing but what can you say about these 3 teams. They have huge issues and are still struggling to get it figured out and I don't really see a threat from any of them over the next while. With the exception of Winnipeg. If any team has a chance to get lucky and overthrow Mont its Winn with their strong defence and just maybe they can put Calvillo on his ass enough times to get a win in the playoffs and move on to the Grey Cup we will see.

josh gelinas · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2011, 12:17:06 PM »

for todays pridiction i say hmm ESKIES!!!

josh gelinas · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2011, 12:17:31 PM »

score pridiciton 28-14 edmonton

walleyes · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2011, 06:43:30 PM »

Bwaaahahaha wheres all the Rider fans ?? kind of quite all of a sudden.

Man are they getting spanked in every game,, can't as I mind it..

josh gelinas · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:06:55 AM »

haha man my pridiction was right as of the 3rd quarter great game tho not as much for the riders fan haha! i swear richie hall is an omen first eskies now riders

walleyes · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2011, 08:44:14 AM »

Yes another fine weekend of football indeed. I really am surprised at how shitty the Riders are doing.. Its not like they made huge moves in their roster.. Guess the luck has ran out.. They are headed straight to 0 - 4 because they have Montreal next weekend.

The Eskies looked pretty good again but I am not sure if Edmonton played all that well or B.C. just played really poor,, I think a bit of both. They will have a good test next weekend in Calgary,, should be a good game.

The Montreal / Toronto game was kind of a yawner quit watching in the second half,, whats the point.. Calgary / Winnipeg not a bad game, would of liked to see Calgary loose it was a close game though,, decent ball..

josh gelinas · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:15:10 PM »

week 7 is going to be the killer haha Edmonton vs Montreal they have already anticipated that its going to be the most popular game or most veiwed game this season besides the greycup or playoffs

Waxy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:58:29 PM »

Quote from: walleyes on July 17, 2011, 08:44:14 AM

Yes another fine weekend of football indeed. I really am surprised at how shitty the Riders are doing.. Its not like they made huge moves in their roster.. Guess the luck has ran out.. They are headed straight to 0 - 4 because they have Montreal next weekend.

Durant is really going to have to step it up for the Riders to have a chance. He's playing to about the level I always thought he was at, maybe a bit worse. I've never bought the hype about him. He's a middle of the road QB. He can make the plays, but he's WAY too inaccurate which costs a lot of points and interceptions, and he makes some poor decisions.

There wasn't a lot of offseason moves, but some really key ones, including a few that should and shouldn't have been made. Losing Fantuz hurt, the O line is getting long in the tooth, and the defense needs some upgrading to say the least. The hiring of Richie Hall was a mistake in my opinion, I never liked his style of defense.

The biggest thing for the Riders right now is to beat the bushes for some DEs. They've never recovered from losing Chicks and Baggs, and the couple guys they brought in or drafted either didn't work out or got hurt. If you're going to let guys like Ray and Calvillo stand around all game long and leave with clean jerseys, you're going to get crushed, to LB or DB can cover that long and you're going to give up a lot of big plays.

Finding the right players and making the right moves is where they miss Eric Tillman, it was a sad day for Rider Nation when he left town. Tillman alone is the reason for the Esk's turnaround, and he'll bring the Grey Cup to Edmonton within two years. He has his faults, but plain and simple the man is the best football mind in the CFL right now bar none. His track record proves it, all he does is win wherever he goes.

Waxy

josh gelinas · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2011, 01:21:54 AM »

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The hiring of Richie Hall was a mistake in my opinion, I never liked his style of defense

amen waxy

walleyes · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2011, 08:00:17 PM »

I am certainly not going to argue with any of your points waxy but the Riders certainly haven't had the roster changes to justify how poorly they are playing. there is something underlying that is affecting them and I would guess its just plain old team spirit and motivation.

ishootbambi · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2011, 09:52:11 PM »

the riders suck more than any other reason, because of darian durant. if they had a decent qb, they would have won the last 2 grey cups. with the loss of a few linemen that protected him, and more importantly, a couple of receivers that made some great catches to make him look good, he is now being exposed for the crap he is. the defense strategy is simple against the riders......make durant throw. dont let him out of the pocket, and stuff cates and you win.

the eskimos however are a huge surprise. with the massive turnover i really didnt expect much this year. the biggest difference is in the coaching staff. ray has always had the skills to get it done. look at his stats over the last couple and its clear he was not the problem. the right play calling has made a drastic difference. a sudden glut of running talent has opened up space for bowman and barnes to show what few knew they had. stamps is gold as usual making this team a real threat this year already. the defense is putting some fear into the opposition for the first time in a long time as well.

a big surprise i scalgary and winnipeg. the stamps are two missed kicks from being 0-3. they should be bettter and im not sure why they are struggling. the bombers shouldnt be looking as good as they have, but they are. it would be nice to see them come out of the east....im sick of seeing montreal in late november.

Waxy · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2011, 07:49:56 AM »

Quote from: walleyes on July 19, 2011, 08:00:17 PM

I am certainly not going to argue with any of your points waxy but the Riders certainly haven't had the roster changes to justify how poorly they are playing. there is something underlying that is affecting them and I would guess its just plain old team spirit and motivation.

Totally agree Walleyes, there's more to the picture that we aren't seeing. I'll be camping with the inlaws next week, and I don't know anyone more connected to all things Riders than my brother in law, so I'll be very interested to get the scoop from him.

Waxy

Waxy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2011, 08:04:09 AM »

Quote from: ishootbambi on July 19, 2011, 09:52:11 PM

the riders suck more than any other reason, because of darian durant. if they had a decent qb, they would have won the last 2 grey cups. with the loss of a few linemen that protected him, and more importantly, a couple of receivers that made some great catches to make him look good, he is now being exposed for the crap he is. the defense strategy is simple against the riders......make durant throw. dont let him out of the pocket, and stuff cates and you win.

Finally! Thank you!

I've been saying that for 3 years now, and everyone in Rider Nation gets choked at me and tells me how great he is, the next Damon Allen or Doug Flutie... We're so desperate to have top tier QB after the crap we've had for the last 10+ years that everyone just turns a blind eye to the obvious. Then the TSN guys jump on the bandwagon and tell everyone the same because they're so desperate to hype the QBs in the CFL.

What a load of B.S.! They've been winning in spite of Durant due to a pretty solid O line and the receivers being awesome. He's left more points on the field missing wide open receivers with his brutal accuracy and poor reads than I can even believe, it infuriates me. Throw in the turnovers due to the same reasons, and the Riders were a good team, but not a great team, and it came down to him. I don't see him ever getting better either, at best he MIGHT get to the level of a Henry Burris, a good QB but totally inconsistent and not great in the crunch. These new receivers are really shining a spotlight on him, because they aren't as good, and Berry is going to have to change things up to play to Durant's strengths or it's going to be a LONG season.

Cate's is a good back, but he's lost a step from his glory days. Speed kills in the CFL, and Cates isn't a homerun threat anymore. (The blocking schemes in the Rider running game drive me nuts too, but that's whole other rant lol.) Once you shut him down for two yards and a cloud of dust on first down, Durant can't make those long conversions with any consistency.

Waxy

walleyes · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:29:08 AM »

I have been saying the same thing about Durant for the last 3 years now,, he is a mediocre QB at best. Like you said he had a couple top end receivers that really made him look good. I couldn't beleive it a couple weeks ago when TSN did their top 50 players in the CFL and they placed Durant and Burris over Ray. Ray wasn't even on the list,, what ?? Now all of a sudden Ray finally has an O line that gives him a steam boat or two to make a play and he is back to his old ways and now according to TSN he is one the best all time QB's in the game a master at his skill.. What a bunch of crap,, not Ray being good but I get sick of those commentators getting on and off the band wagons..

Sask needs a QB and they need a club that is willing to pay for one in order to keep him. They had Burris which in my mind Burris is capable of getting you a cup, but they didn't want to pay for him so lost him. Then they had Joseph who won them the cup,, went free agent the next season, wanted to be payed the rate and they refused and lost him.. And now they have Durant. Now I don't beleive that Joseph is worth the $400G/YR that Ray,Calvillo, or Burris is but damn it he gave them a cup he was worth more than the 200 they were paying him.

ishootbambi · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:43:58 AM »

ray was on the list.....about number 30 or so. 7 of the leagues 8 starting qbs were on the list somewhere. the only one left off was lemon, and that isnt shocking. i never could figure out why sask didnt make an effort to get jason maas. i truly believe that maas was a starter on 5 other cfl teams, and never really understood why he stood on the sidelines for so long in edmonton.

Waxy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:53:59 PM »

Quote from: walleyes on July 20, 2011, 10:29:08 AM

I have been saying the same thing about Durant for the last 3 years now,, he is a mediocre QB at best. Like you said he had a couple top end receivers that really made him look good. I couldn't beleive it a couple weeks ago when TSN did their top 50 players in the CFL and they placed Durant and Burris over Ray. Ray wasn't even on the list,, what ?? Now all of a sudden Ray finally has an O line that gives him a steam boat or two to make a play and he is back to his old ways and now according to TSN he is one the best all time QB's in the game a master at his skill.. What a bunch of crap,, not Ray being good but I get sick of those commentators getting on and off the band wagons..

Sask needs a QB and they need a club that is willing to pay for one in order to keep him. They had Burris which in my mind Burris is capable of getting you a cup, but they didn't want to pay for him so lost him. Then they had Joseph who won them the cup,, went free agent the next season, wanted to be payed the rate and they refused and lost him.. And now they have Durant. Now I don't beleive that Joseph is worth the $400G/YR that Ray,Calvillo, or Burris is but damn it he gave them a cup he was worth more than the 200 they were paying him.

Cutting Joseph loose was one of Tillman's better decisions, I don't think he was worth the $200G/year he was making. He did nothing in the league after that, in fact, he was washed out of football until a week or two ago. He had a decent season in which the Riders won a Grey Cup in spite of him, and that was only because he had Kent Austin there to hold his hand, and nothing more. Durant was/is a better QB, and that's not saying much.

Waxy · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »

Quote from: ishootbambi on July 20, 2011, 11:43:58 AM

ray was on the list.....about number 30 or so. 7 of the leagues 8 starting qbs were on the list somewhere. the only one left off was lemon, and that isnt shocking. i never could figure out why sask didnt make an effort to get jason maas. i truly believe that maas was a starter on 5 other cfl teams, and never really understood why he stood on the sidelines for so long in edmonton.

I don't think he was. Maas had a lot of chances, including in Hamilton, and he never proved himself to be a capable starter.

Waxy

ishootbambi · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2011, 01:55:21 PM »

maas' time in hamilton is a lot like dunigan when he was named the coach in calgary. he was surrounded by garbage and had no chance at winning. have you forgotten what he did with edmonton? do you really think he isnt better than pierce, lemon, glenn, lulay or durant? the only way he isnt is because of too long on the sidelines not playing. look at ray over the last couple years. he had no help, but all of a sudden he has some support and is rolling up some big numbers. youll never convince me that matt dunigan doesnt know football, but he had no chance at success in that situation. orders coming from the owners through the headphoones......what a joke. i hate calgary but even i had to feel sorry for fans there when that crap was going on. as for joseph....he was key in saskatchewans grey cup win. circumstances hurt him after that, and now his ship has sailed.

Waxy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:13:47 PM »

Quote from: ishootbambi on July 20, 2011, 01:55:21 PM

maas' time in hamilton is a lot like dunigan when he was named the coach in calgary. he was surrounded by garbage and had no chance at winning. have you forgotten what he did with edmonton? do you really think he isnt better than pierce, lemon, glenn, lulay or durant? the only way he isnt is because of too long on the sidelines not playing. look at ray over the last couple years. he had no help, but all of a sudden he has some support and is rolling up some big numbers. youll never convince me that matt dunigan doesnt know football, but he had no chance at success in that situation. orders coming from the owners through the headphoones......what a joke. i hate calgary but even i had to feel sorry for fans there when that crap was going on. as for joseph....he was key in saskatchewans grey cup win. circumstances hurt him after that, and now his ship has sailed.

I think Maas fits right in with that list in terms of talent. Give any of them the team in Edmonton that Maas had his success with, and they'd look just as good, surround them with the talent Maas had to work with in Hamilton and they'd look just as bad. The same can be said for any QB really. Maas was never the worst QB, but he was never elite either. You might be right about him starting elsewhere if given the right opportunity.

Dunigan stepped into a horrible situation there no doubt, there was no way for him to succeed. I generally like Dunigan, he can be a little "rah rah" for my liking, but I do agree that he knows his football. That said though, I think he was in over his head in Calgary, and even he knew it.

You won't convince me on Joseph lol. Excellent coaching and taking the game largely out his hands (and onto his legs lol) made him successful.

Waxy

ishootbambi · « **Reply #19 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:27:12 PM »

i wont argue that austin was a bigger part of the success than joseph. the right guy behind the bench is crucial. danny ma choke ya is a shining example of how bad things can get with the wrong doofus in charge. he inherited a winning team and promptly made a mockery of the entire organization.