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nube

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Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« on: August 24, 2011, 11:22:19 PM »
  With all of the politics on the news tonight it made me think of why I voted the way I did last election.  So far I have not seen anything done to better my country with any party in power.  I figured at least with the conservatives I would get my wish with the gun registry gone and thought it would be a simple process to do this.  What have we seen.  Nothing.  I am really loosing faith in any political party or leader.  I am tired of being taxed to death and not seeing money spent in good ways.  Tired of seeing the waste.  I feel our hands are tied as well and nothing can be done.  Please tell me why I should quit my bitching and it really isn't that bad! ::)  Anyone else feel this way?

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 11:40:24 PM »
Put the glass down and get back to us in the morning..ok?

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 11:46:48 PM »
Don't touch the stuff Sonny!  Do I really sound that bad? 
I guess in your eyes it isn't that bad then.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 12:08:07 AM »
Don't touch the stuff Sonny!  Do I really sound that bad? 
I guess in your eyes it isn't that bad then.

I have a lot of respect for you sir but yes you do sound that bad and...after all you did say..

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Please tell me why I should quit my bitching

So I told you my opinion..but it seems that you don't handle it well...hence my quote..

And yes I did get the little dig at the drinking thing....point for you...lol

It's all good nube...I consider you a friend..K??

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 12:15:15 AM »
Nope, I am handling it just fine and don't have a problem at all with what you said.  I just see things in a different light then I guess.  I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing and wanting to talk about it. 
Do you think the way the gov't is right now is doing what you would like them to do? 
What changes would you like? 

To me our health service has gone way downhill in many ways.  I work with it so I see the way the changes have made things worse.
I see a lot of overspending on things that could be changed. 
What promises have been kept? 



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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 12:37:06 AM »
Ok....you asked...

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Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore

My question is do you prefer the Liberals?

Or perhaps the NDP..sans Jack?

Rumour has it that the new NDP leader is a hot french chick...woohoo..(a female Dion)

The Bloc???..nah that ain't gonna happen..

So....what choice do you have left?

Rhino party??

Marijuana party??

Bottom line is that it;s a free country and you can vote for whoever you want..

You sound like a smart man,perhaps you should run for public office...you would have my vote..

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 02:58:49 AM »
Hey Nube would you still be posting this if Jack was still with us ??
He definitely got more credit and accolades in the news after his passing. When the debates were going on my impression was he spent more time critisizing the other parties especially  Harper than he could of done telling the people of Canada what he was going to do to represent them ??

I have to agree though that the party in power should show more results like the gun registry abolition, we are being taxed to death and the party in power should be changed out more often ...

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 07:17:44 AM »
I suspect you'll feel different after the fall session, and much different by the time the next fed. election rolls around.
Right now Mr. Harper is setting the table for our undisputable domination of Our part of the arctic, which is Very important, as there are at least 4 other countries that will claim it if we do not.  And don't fool yourself, we may assume the border is as we were taught in grade school, the greed of others states differently, and they'll make up whatever BS will justify what amounts to their invasion of our territory.  Canada is poised to become what Great Britain and the US, "Could have been", and that means we'll have to begin to shake off the urchins and vagabonds that pull at our trousers, attempt to pickpocket us, and try to mug us, possible at gunpoint.
Also remember at a time when most country's leaders are circling the wagons and hiding, hoping to win the lottery our's just finished a trade mission in central America, which could well be a new export market at a time when our best friend and second largest trading partner is having some tough times.  I read just the other day some waste has been cut within enviornment Canada.  Those are just off the top of my head, and this is during the Prime Minister's, "summer holiday".  IMO our federal conservatives have done more good for our country in the last 2 weeks than the libs did in 20 years.
I, too would have preferred to see something more substantial come out of the ridiculously short "spring session", but I think we've got the right leader in place and suspect the groundwork is being laid so the things we all are looking for can come to fruition.  Canada Finally has a leader worth following.  Patience friend.

Now if you want to talk about the provincial conservatives(note the small c, don't know how to make it red), then by all means change your vote to the WRA.  In that regard IMO the election can't come soon enough.  The sooner we get rid of this leech upon Alberta, it's people, our freedom and security the sooner the bloodloss will stop.

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 07:33:26 AM »
Ok....you asked...

My question is do you prefer the Liberals?

Or perhaps the NDP..sans Jack?

Rumour has it that the new NDP leader is a hot french chick...woohoo..(a female Dion)

The Bloc???..nah that ain't gonna happen..

So....what choice do you have left?

Rhino party??

Marijuana party??

Bottom line is that it;s a free country and you can vote for whoever you want..

You sound like a smart man,perhaps you should run for public office...you would have my vote..

Don't get me wrong Sonny.  I am concervative all the way through.  I am just a little pissed at the way things have been going.  Maybe it is because it is gov't and things are slow but I have not seen a whole lot happening.  I hear lots of talk and no action.  I think there could be a lot more done to strengthen our country for the better and if he does not do much he will loose votes and then where will we be again? 

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 08:19:26 AM »
I suspect you'll feel different after the fall session, and much different by the time the next fed. election rolls around.
Right now Mr. Harper is setting the table for our undisputable domination of Our part of the arctic, which is Very important, as there are at least 4 other countries that will claim it if we do not.  And don't fool yourself, we may assume the border is as we were taught in grade school, the greed of others states differently, and they'll make up whatever BS will justify what amounts to their invasion of our territory.  Canada is poised to become what Great Britain and the US, "Could have been", and that means we'll have to begin to shake off the urchins and vagabonds that pull at our trousers, attempt to pickpocket us, and try to mug us, possible at gunpoint.
Also remember at a time when most country's leaders are circling the wagons and hiding, hoping to win the lottery our's just finished a trade mission in central America, which could well be a new export market at a time when our best friend and second largest trading partner is having some tough times.  I read just the other day some waste has been cut within enviornment Canada.  Those are just off the top of my head, and this is during the Prime Minister's, "summer holiday".  IMO our federal conservatives have done more good for our country in the last 2 weeks than the libs did in 20 years.
I, too would have preferred to see something more substantial come out of the ridiculously short "spring session", but I think we've got the right leader in place and suspect the groundwork is being laid so the things we all are looking for can come to fruition.  Canada Finally has a leader worth following.  Patience friend.

Now if you want to talk about the provincial conservatives(note the small c, don't know how to make it red), then by all means change your vote to the WRA.  In that regard IMO the election can't come soon enough.  The sooner we get rid of this leech upon Alberta, it's people, our freedom and security the sooner the bloodloss will stop.

Good post Bruce, lets hope that Harper does follow through this fall.  I'm thinking things could get real interesting in the next few months...

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 10:41:22 AM »
I think Bruce has a lot of good points. I really think there will be a lot going on in the next 6 months that will possibly make you wish for the summer when not that much was going on.

Two things that are a little worrisome and I hope don't get out of hand are firstly if we stay relatively finiancially in good shape that the govt. takes that as a reason to go on a spending spree and pushing us to a difficult position.

Second and maybe more problematic is this continuation of putting more control into ministers hands. This is the thrust provincially (think LUF) and it looks like it might even be happening more federally. To much power without recourse is a very dangerous thing especially considering we are a "democracy".

Apart from that I think it will be an interesting few months going forward.
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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 11:24:18 AM »
I don't want to make excuses for anyone Nube, but I think you need to be a little patient, nothing in government moves quickly, no matter how bad Harper and Co. might want it to.  Gov't is a BIG machine, and getting everything serviced and greased so there's no squeaks and no break downs until the job gets done is a huge task, and it takes time. 

Give Harper and co. time, they haven't even been in power for 6 months. They've been slowly lining up the pieces and laying the framework for a while now in preparation for the fall session and the next four years, and once they get started, especially with no credible opposition, I think you'll see the fast paced change you're wanting. 

Hopefully, like MAV says, they won't go on a crazy spending spree or get too crazy with the changes.

I'm cautiously optimistic that things are going to take a real turn for the better in the coming year, at the federal level anyway, provinically, well, that's a whole other story.  ABM (Anyone But Morton!)

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2011, 12:21:38 PM »
Hey Nube, some good points brought up here by all.

Tell me this, who else is out there to vote for??? Now that Jack is gone, It's my opinion you will see the inexperienced NDP party fall apart. Jack was the backbone of the NDP's and only won opposition because Mr. Layton appealed to Quebec and Ontario's younger voters.

Personally I think Harper is good for our economy, here's a few reasons why:

. He's signed free trade deals with 80 countries, and agreements with the European Union and India are expected to be completed by 2013, good economy strategy I think.

. He was against the carbon tax that the opposition parties were in favor of. Thats one thing we don't need are more taxes and I'm sure the carbon tax would have hurt the economy and hit the poor the hardest.

. He's decreased taxes for larger businesses enabling them to hire more people, he also increased the amount small businesses can claim on their income tax. I think lower business tax creates more jobs and enables than to expand and invest in other countries.

As far as the gun registry goes he didn't mention it too much in the last election BUT REMEMBER, Harper tried and it was defeated by the oppositions. I think he will revist the registry and will evently abolish it with a now majority government. It's a waste of money anyhow and the money saved can be funded to law enforcement.
It all takes time Newbie, hang in there!  :)

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 12:37:45 PM »
Newbie is right Tuc ;D  I never was a fan of politics.  Good points guys.  I hope we are right in tat we have not seen anything yet.  It just seems liek in the world we live in the rich get richer and the poor and middle class carry everyone.  I'm not sure if not taxing companies as much will benefit anyone but the people that own them.  Sure they could hire more people or give higher raises in wages but people are greedy and I can just see it as a chance to line their pockets a little more.  Maybe I am wrong in that thinking.  I never did take any college classes on the stuff but I figured it would be a good conversation.  And to reiterate what I said earlier, I do not believe there is better out there right now.  I am just a little impatient is all and would have liked to see more done by now.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2011, 03:42:25 PM »
Im pretty sure I'm voting WRP in the next provincial election but one thing that does worry me is I just attended one of their forums in my town and both candidates said they're in favor of some type of RAMP program which has me a little worried

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2011, 06:48:03 PM »
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Im pretty sure I'm voting WRP
I'm not pretty sure, I'm sure.

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 07:21:44 PM »
I am interested in what you guys have to say about it.  What do you see that you like

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 10:02:57 PM »
Best thing is go here:  http://www.wildrose.ca/

Center/leftside cursor over Policy, and read what they're bringing to the table.  I suspect if you go through their goals your choice will be clear.


Our current, "leader", managed to undo all the positives we had in a matter of weeks.  Of course the very first thing he did was to vote himself and his cronies a massive raise.  The second thing was to take a positive economy that was the envy of the entire world and plunge it into the red, and recession.  No matter who we elect, we'll be paying for , "steady eddie's" short stay for the next decade.  That's undeniable.  But fear not, if I'm not mistaken their pensions were raised as well, doesn't that make you feel better?   >:(

I'm not so foolish to believe in the least that the WRA is "the" answer for us, what they are to me is someone else who wants a kick at the cat and promises to get gov't a little more out of my life, may face, my pocket, and the hell off my property. 

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Re: Tell me why I should vote conservative anymore
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 10:06:06 PM »
Im pretty sure I'm voting WRP in the next provincial election but one thing that does worry me is I just attended one of their forums in my town and both candidates said they're in favor of some type of RAMP program which has me a little worried


WHAT!!!

A Wildrose candidate said they were in favour of a RAMP type program?

You have got to elaborate on this.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 10:29:12 PM »
On a seperate note I was just at the PC candidates forum in Lethbridge.

I really don't think we are in for any "new" ideas from any of them. I was really hoping that Orman might be something but unfortanetly he is not what I was looking for in a leader. I was quite impressed with Doug Griffith and with my 5 dollar membership I think I'll be supporting him. However he is up against the inner circle of Mar and Horner.

One thing we can all expect is that they are not done spending money. All of them went on about getting the fianances in order but then pretty much every plan they had to every question meant spending money.

Horner absolutely scares me. I get the feeling if he could just strip mine all of Alberta he would do it and call it done. He also seems to think his family has been in the province for 200 years. Maybe but I'm thinking he might be wrong about that even though he said it with some conviction.

Mar seems to have some background but truly he's just an old boy.

To be honest I think Morton might be sunk. He refused to acknowledge any responsibility or error in the Land stewardship act bill 10,19, 36 or 50. When asked what they would do about these bills he dodged the question. Orman and Redford were the only two that said they would drop it. Griffith said he would fix the problems in the bills and Mar and Horner I'm sure if you cornered them like it the way it is.

As for Morton if that room was any indication I think him and Redford might be looking at an early exit from the race. He was consistent with his arragont manner and was not connecting with anyone.

One question that I found quite interesting was "If you are elected leader how will you mend the divisions in the PC party". Of course they all (with the exception of Orman) said there really was no division but Mar went on about doing things "For Albertans". If it is irrigation in Southern Alberta it has to be "For Alberta". Something about I'm not from Calgary, I'm not from Edmonton, I'm not from Medicine Hat; I'm from Alberta. This is interesting considering he had a big picture of the Calgary Tower on his bus.

None of them give me any hope that anything in the province will change. I think we will still have a divided party that will pander to big money regardless of how an issue effects the province.
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