The good old days..

[Sonny]

Yes I know laws and regulations are put into place for a reason but dagnabit..

I miss the good old days....like when you could still ice fish Talbot lake in Jasper and Rock lake too.

Or the free camping we used to have with free firewood no less..

One more thing I miss....Wildhorse Lake being 16 feet deep..

You guys miss anything?

[nsrmaster]

when there was no size limits to any species of fish. I still remember perch limit at 30,jackfish 10 and so on..

[Sonny]

Stream fishing with a hook and a worm..

[Sonny]

When there was no FLUZ....grrr

[Guido]

EMD tags

[Sonny]

Yep. That was awesome.

2)I miss when there was giant muledeer Everywere.

3)I miss when Alberta was not overrun with people and everything was way better.   

Do I detect a bit of sarcasm there? lol

Here have a beer in a stubby bottle...hahaha..

[deerman]

The increase in people population has had quite an impact on my enjoyment of outdoor activities.  Reduction of fishing and hunting opportunities and limits is related to increase in users and decrease in habitat from development.

I really miss walking on what we used to call "trails" or "cutlines".  Now they are most often called OHV highways.

I would like to see more restrictions on OHV use and I believe it is coming.  Not necessarily more FLUZ but "responsible transportation" use allowed and "motocross" restricted to "motocross tracks."

[Guido]

The increase in people population has had quite an impact on my enjoyment of outdoor activities.  Reduction of fishing and hunting opportunities and limits is related to increase in users and decrease in habitat from development.

I really miss walking on what we used to call "trails" or "cutlines".  Now they are most often called OHV highways.

I would like to see more restrictions on OHV use and I believe it is coming.  Not necessarily more FLUZ but "responsible transportation" use allowed and "motocross" restricted to "motocross tracks."

 Some things never change. I don't know if you noticed but cutlines are not natural. They were put there with machines. Just because YOU enjoy walking on them doesn't mean that someone else can't enjoy them with their chosen piece of off road equipment. You sure try to split outdoor users up so its easier to "divide and conquer".
 How many times have YOU used these "OHV highways" to retrieve game??? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

[bigbore444]

3)I miss when Alberta was not overrun with people and everything was way better.   

Yup you nailed it. Joys of having so much oil eh?

[Paul]

I have to agree with Guido there is nothing natural about cutlines to begin with. All the lease roads and cutlines have allowed for greater access to areas otherwise difficult to get into.

[BlueNorther]

I miss the days of walking a favorite trout stream and not seeing any other boot tracks in the mud but my own.
Going to a campground on a Friday and being able to get a spot to pitch the tent.

I don't camp in campgrounds any more but even my random spots are starting to get crowded.

[JIMMY 808]

I miss when this site wasn't like AO.

[bigbore444]

I miss when this site wasn't like AO.

Well I don't get it? How is this topic like AO? We just agree with the other guy? I don't get it.    Ain't it called discussion?

[Guido]

Yep. I agree.  I am about done.

I concur

[Guido]

Not everybody has used a quad for hunting on public land. I have never either so just cause he disagrees with you does not make it ok for you bs comment.  I agree with him. I remember when Indian graves was not destroyed from OHV's. Now it looks just like McLean and wiprous. I agree with what walleyes said that minamal OHV use looks like they were not there.  But with volume is a different story.

This may surprize you, but I have only used an ATV for hunting for about 6 hours. B.S. comment?? Don't know where that came from. I'm glad you agree with him, I'm sure others do also. I don't. That's my choice. Deerman was talking about cutlines. In reality they have put bigger scars on the landscape then any amount of ATV's. So an ATV going down a cutline isn't all that bad. But this is just my opinion, It would be ignorant to expect everyone to agree.

[Tuc]

I hear you Sonny!

I remember when we first moved to Alberta, we did alot of camping in McClean Creek. The campground fee back then was $6 per night and included all the fire wood you could burn. I wouldn't have a clue what they charge now but the last time I looked it was $18 per night. Some of these changes effected low income families who can't afford no other recreation than pitching a tent in their favorite campground, now you have the price of wood and gas ontop of the campsite fee.

I see the big debate here about ATV use on crown land. I guess those that don't own or can't afford a quad won't impact the environment at all, the big question is, would they own one if they could and be responsible themselves. It's easy for some to paint all ATV users with the same brush just because they don't own one.

ATV use on any land is ok if you are a responsible driver. It's not ATV's that destroy the environment it's people. What some folks don't understand is, you have to get on the damn thing and put the key in the ignition, start it and throttle up. Then what you do with it from there on in is your responsibility, not the machines, yours!!! You stay on the designated trails and ATV use has very little impact on the land. If you are all over the place, through the creeks and marshes, up the mud banks, etc, of course, you destroy bird nests, fish spawning areas and leave considerable ruts on natural areas. Anyhow, my point, it's a no-brainer for SOME!

Getting back on topic, I guess the biggest change I dislike is the restrictions on fishing. Yes we need them to make sure we have a healthy crop of fish for the future.  I remember growing up as a kid back home and fishing out of the ocean. There were many a evenings I came in from Edies's Shoal with my little row boat (12 footer) loaded up with cod, polloch, haddock and the gunnalls were about 6 inches out of water. I kid you not a good wave would have swamped me and I'd be swimming for the nearest shore....lol

Ya Sonny those were the good ole days!

[Guido]

Listen here grant. I am leaving on my terms.

I understand that. I have left on my own accord in the past, and may do so shortly.

[bigbore444]

Big difference is you are ignorant to every member here.  That is why you and I had our pm's that you posted.  I see pm's on this site are far from private. Hey tuc and grant.  As for the cutlines they are to make a path to bring gas and electricity to your house.  I agree they are ugly. But provide stuff for our wildlife too.  So not all bad.  What do quads and dirt bike do for nature? Nothing.   So I agreed to a point with deerman for once.  So what I did not say ban quads did I?

So they only bring gas and electric to your house?

LOL I worked seismic for many years. Alberta, NWT, BC, Sask, MT, ND,  I made miles and miles and miles of lines with my D7. I plowed pristine nature into a pile of destruction.  What did it do for nature.........nothing.

[Lurch]

Another thread swirls the bowl....

I like that this site isn't like others. I like that most guys can wrap their collective heads around an issue and work on the little details. I like that we have the absence of self professed experts of the outdoor media. I like that this board is not run for profit - an that it doesn't seem to have a underlying agenda.

I don't like that guys can't check their egos at the door. I don't like arguments (not discussion) that become personal.

I'm likely as guilty as anyone for getting too wound up in some of this stuff. But I guess at the end of the day we just all need to learn to get along.

I would like to think as a outdoors guy with a fair amount of time afield that I have something to offer to discussions. I also recognize the experience and contributions of others no matter how varied. None of us are experts, but we all have experience.

Likely pi$$ing on a duck's back here - but lets give it a whirl

[walleyes]

I hate to even think about it.. Born and raised in the bush in N/E A.B. you cant emagine the change we are seeing.. This place was kind of out of the way for years but now with all this heavy oil mania taking place,, its the center of the province and every yahoo there is is up here. Progress is progress but at what cost. I cant wait until most of the construction is over with at least and it slows down some around here,, wayyyyy to many people..