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Re: United Conservative Party.
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2017, 04:54:51 PM »
Hey BS .....its Klein ! Man of the people, when he was ragged on so
 bad for his dealing with unions ...I knew the die was cast .....the inevitable
 trip down the red crap highway. No matter what atrocities have supposedly
  Been committed in the 40 odd years of conservatism , they will be a shining
   Example of stalwart government compared to legacy the Red Hag is dictating
   to the downtrodden voters of Alberta.
     Unlike other outdoor forums we are possibly more tolerant of nonsensical
     Political views but we have our limits . Whether you know it or not , most
      Of the members on here have all paid a price for their stand against the Red
       scourge.
        I
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« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2017, 05:01:58 PM »
I wonder what the Debt/GDP would be if Alberta did not have to feed the rest of canada through transfer payments.

That would be the Alberta Debt/GDP.  Sorry for not explaining myself.

Anyways, back to cleaning the shotguns. :)

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« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2017, 05:07:33 PM »
Hey BS .....its Klein ! Man of the people, when he was ragged on so
 bad for his dealing with unions ...I knew the die was cast .....the inevitable
 trip down the red crap highway. No matter what atrocities have supposedly
  Been committed in the 40 odd years of conservatism , they will be a shining
   Example of stalwart government compared to legacy the Red Hag is dictating
   to the downtrodden voters of Alberta.
     Unlike other outdoor forums we are possibly more tolerant of nonsensical
     Political views but we have our limits . Whether you know it or not , most
      Of the members on here have all paid a price for their stand against the Red
       scourge.
        I'm going to try to word this a politically correct as possible ...
        Strong Post to Follow !

Even though we may not agree with everyone's political views let's please refrain form calling people names. It's a free country boys, bring argument, bring a view point but refrain from degrading name calling.
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« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2017, 05:45:22 PM »
So did Rachel , carbon tax rebates, and klien paid of the deht on the backs of workers and health care cuts , and loss of social program , of course a party can pay off deht if it don't provide infastucture money to its people for needs like rds , education and health care , a lot of  our tax dollars went to china investments , instead of back to the people , where it belongs .
We were told by Klien theres no money , yet large sums went to china for the Torys own investments , of which they pocketed the interest for themselves , when it should have came back to us for rds educationand healthcare

Oh man, this is priceless garbage.  Let me tell you a story about carbon tax rebates.  I do not qualify for them as my income is above the threshold.  I just get to pay the carbon tax.
I just finished outfitting my shop with LED tubes for the replacements to my fluorescent tubes.  Project cost me $480 total, the NDP retrofit rebate program covered exactly $0 because LED tubes are not on their list.

Only the poor are benefiting as the carbon tax program is strictly a wealth redistribution Robin Hood scheme.
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« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2017, 06:03:46 PM »
Your right Walleyes, and I came close to it also. But I do understand the emotions of W101, I believe that a new member came on here to stir up crap and will add nothing to this forum in the way of sportsmen information such as hunting, fishing, and the outdoors . Many in this province have had a complete loss of life style because of this government, and Alberta pride is showing through when provoke. I will not add anymore to this thread as I am quite sure that with this post I have made my point clear to the new member.

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« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2017, 08:06:58 PM »
I wonder what the Debt/GDP would be if Alberta did not have to feed the rest of canada through transfer payments.

That would be the Alberta Debt/GDP.  Sorry for not explaining myself.

Anyways, back to cleaning the shotguns. :)


Klein had us with NO debt. It went to sh*t after that. The NDP just made it worse, not adjusting for reduced revenues.

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« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2017, 06:57:37 AM »
   And I just call to your attention , another thing the NDP does
   wreck perfectly good outdoor forums . This is like AO spring  2016 .
    One bad seed ,pretty soon your up to your ass in weeds .
     There is a reason most outdoor guys I know are on Facebook
       these days ....the main guy has a big stick , no riff raff get in .
       I'm unapologetic ,l now have 30 or more years experience fighting the
       Commies in three different provinces ...I call it the way it is , and
       I'm telling you ( I hope I'm wrong ) I doubt this UCP will unseat
        Moscow on the NSR in the next go round ...They are like cockroaches
        If you don't stomp the first one buy a lot of Raid ...
         And apparently , my AO Avatar is hanging in their office ,
          BAN of the Year !
           My Father a very smart man , when reading about the coming
            Of Tommy Douglas had only one comment.
              The end of Canada !
             I was just a little gaffer , I didn't get it then but I get it now ...
               Spare change anyone !
     
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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2017, 12:05:13 PM »
That's what communism is, you take the hard earned dollars of the hard working, and distribute it to whomever you feel is deserving.  This government is killing investment in our province, and is killing the incentive to work hard, as the extra money will just be taken by the government in the form of carbon taxes, and don't think for a minute the NDP will not raise personal taxes again, on guess who, those that work hard to get ahead. 

How was shutting down the coal industry helping the ordinary Joe?  Did not any of them work in the coal industry?  What do you think will happen to the oil and gas industry when the NDP increase taxes and limit output in the oilsands?  We've already had major players pull out of Alberta because of the loser NDP.

The NDP's goal is to make all of us dependent on the government, poor (as sooner or later, those that earn will say to hell with it, I'm leaving) and socialist in our thinking.  They live in a fairy tale and do not understand reality.  They think they can just raise taxes and things will be hunky-dory.  They are the stupidest bunch of MLAs this province has ever seen, and do not care who they harm to further their idealistic, unrealistic agenda.

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« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2017, 01:25:05 PM »
 I believe you are mistaken  , Lester Pearson brought in Canada wide
  health care in 1966 . Rachel Notley the Commisar is a dictator
  And a purveyor of misery on wretched Alberta taxpayer .
   Your a sad example of what some Albertans have become ,
    fortunately some of us have maintained our dignity during
     this assault on freedom .
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« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2017, 01:55:43 PM »
That's what communism is, you take the hard earned dollars of the hard working, and distribute it to whomever you feel is deserving.  This government is killing investment in our province, and is killing the incentive to work hard, as the extra money will just be taken by the government in the form of carbon taxes, and don't think for a minute the NDP will not raise personal taxes again, on guess who, those that work hard to get ahead. 

How was shutting down the coal industry helping the ordinary Joe?  Did not any of them work in the coal industry?  What do you think will happen to the oil and gas industry when the NDP increase taxes and limit output in the oilsands?  We've already had major players pull out of Alberta because of the loser NDP.

The NDP's goal is to make all of us dependent on the government, poor (as sooner or later, those that earn will say to hell with it, I'm leaving) and socialist in our thinking.  They live in a fairy tale and do not understand reality.  They think they can just raise taxes and things will be hunky-dory.  They are the stupidest bunch of MLAs this province has ever seen, and do not care who they harm to further their idealistic, unrealistic agenda.


The actual fact is that oilsand operators have pulled out, shut down projects, or downsized because of the price of oil. The royalty regime has not changed. This has nothing to do with the disastrous NDP; they don't control world oil prices.


Shutting down the coal industry? Nope, the world market for coal has plummeted because it is a dirty fuel. The NDP has accelerated the closure of coal powered power plants, a move I still have not decided where I stand on that issue. Part of me says yesss!, another part of me wonders if it may not have been a few years premature, as most of those plants were at the end of their life cycle anyways.


Unless and until Albertans' realize that there has been a sea change in how power will be produced, whether utility scale electrical or gas/diesel vehicles, they and their governments will hope for an oil boom, one that likely will never come again. It's not like last time, as there were no alternatives quickly being developed. This time, yes they are and embraced by governments and consumers world wide.


That is a reality we need to understand, and act accordingly. It's not happening yet.

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« Reply #70 on: August 23, 2017, 04:25:21 PM »
Few months ago two Major players withdrew plans for major projects in Ab and announced mega heavy oil projects in khazakstan, stating the reason as, "Canada and especially Alberta are no longer safe places to do business"
This was in all the papers, no one could have missed it, well, unless they get their, "news" from places like cbc.  (feel free to look it up)

There has been a MAJOR exodus of businesses and investment from Ab since the last election.  Likely same for Canada since the federal election.  This investment will not be returning.  I've been spending a fair amount of time out of the province.  My Ab plates are NOT lonely. 

Far as, "alternative energy"  well, it's nice to have a dream.  In the real world there is currently no viable energy alternative.  Think of them as gov't subsidy mines.
Just look to every country in the worlds oil usage forecast.  Not a single one I've seen is lower next yr than this.  Then do some actual research on countries that dove into the deep end.  Most are backtracking as all they've done is bankrupt themselves while producing a fraction of a fraction of the energy, "promised".

Norway?  Wow, do some actual research, Norway is a complete mess.
Never ceases to amaze me how people can have blinders on and be seemingly unaware of it.  Must try hard not to do any actual research I guess.  Either that or rabid personal greed and a complete disregard for the future generations.

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« Reply #71 on: August 23, 2017, 05:03:48 PM »
Few months ago two Major players withdrew plans for major projects in Ab and announced mega heavy oil projects in khazakstan, stating the reason as, "Canada and especially Alberta are no longer safe places to do business"
This was in all the papers, no one could have missed it, well, unless they get their, "news" from places like cbc.  (feel free to look it up)

There has been a MAJOR exodus of businesses and investment from Ab since the last election.  Likely same for Canada since the federal election.  This investment will not be returning.  I've been spending a fair amount of time out of the province.  My Ab plates are NOT lonely. 

Far as, "alternative energy"  well, it's nice to have a dream.  In the real world there is currently no viable energy alternative.  Think of them as gov't subsidy mines.
Just look to every country in the worlds oil usage forecast.  Not a single one I've seen is lower next yr than this.  Then do some actual research on countries that dove into the deep end.  Most are backtracking as all they've done is bankrupt themselves while producing a fraction of a fraction of the energy, "promised".


Both Goldman Sachs and Bloomberg have issued advisories that they feel peak demand will occur in the mid 2020s. They have expertise none of us have.

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Norway?  Wow, do some actual research, Norway is a complete mess.


I guess it depends on what you define as mess. The people who live there are see themselves as the happiest in the world. Canada does quite well, we are number 7 (all the Scandinavian countries beat us out), and the US is down at number 14. Norway couldn't be that much of a mess if people there feel that way.


Economically, it compares well with Canada. Better in fact. Its GDP per capita is higher, higher in fact than the USA also. Freedom to make life choices is rated higher than USA and Canada.


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Never ceases to amaze me how people can have blinders on and be seemingly unaware of it.  Must try hard not to do any actual research I guess.  Either that or rabid personal greed and a complete disregard for the future generations.


So, what part of Norway is a mess? They pay higher taxes, but their population feels their government delivers services for them that they want, and generally they are OK with that. What part is a mess? Perhaps you need to do some research?

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« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2017, 06:27:46 PM »
avb3 have you read any of the articles I posted or are you just going off of old news, I told you before quit reading the fake news.

On another note, here at home the socialist dream is crumbling as well.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/matthew-lau-albertas-job-mirage

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« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2017, 09:54:22 PM »
avb3 have you read any of the articles I posted or are you just going off of old news,


Not sure if something posted in the past 2 week is old news.



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I told you before quit reading the fake news.


You've been listening to too many Trumpisms. Time to move on from that misanthrope.


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On another note, here at home the socialist dream is crumbling as well.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/matthew-lau-albertas-job-mirage


Yup, the NDP caught lying again. Sort of like they said the carbon tax was 'revenue neutral'.

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« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2017, 01:14:39 AM »
We will once again remind members to please refrain from degrading name calling. We can disagree with each other even have a heated discussion but everyone has a view point and it should be respected.

PS. I'm not up drinking,, I'm on night shift lol.
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« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2017, 11:58:43 AM »
While I have no direct proof of this, I have spoken to people that have travelled to Scandanavian Countries and they said the average person there can't even afford a car.  There are a lot of people that have a lower standard of living than what an average person here has.

I know a young man from Holland, just came over for a visit.  He said the exact same thing, over there, he couldn't afford his own car, he said people there are on average poorer than in Canada.

That's how socialism works, everyone's standard of living (except for those that run things and their buddies) is lower as the tax rates are so high it is very hard to get ahead.

No thanks, you can have it AVB3

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« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2017, 02:06:07 PM »
While I have no direct proof of this, I have spoken to people that have travelled to Scandanavian Countries and they said the average person there can't even afford a car.  There are a lot of people that have a lower standard of living than what an average person here has.

I know a young man from Holland, just came over for a visit.  He said the exact same thing, over there, he couldn't afford his own car, he said people there are on average poorer than in Canada.

That's how socialism works, everyone's standard of living (except for those that run things and their buddies) is lower as the tax rates are so high it is very hard to get ahead.

No thanks, you can have it AVB3


The facts I showed you don't change because of anecdotal opinions. Norway's population is happy with their system, that's all that counts, for them. They have a higher per capita GDP than most western countries. Oslo I find very expensive, and their taxes are high, but if the people in that country support the system, who are we to argue? It certainly is not a failed state by any means.


I don't support socialism from an economic perspective, I do however, believe we need to include all members of society and support those that can't.


What about the one's who won't? Programs need to be adjusted to get them either an education or a profession of some sort. And what are we going to do? Cut off the scummy mother because she's a nothing, and let her kids suffer? Cut off the single young male, and what will happen? You know and I know he will revert to crime. So now what? What does that cost society? I honestly don't have the answer, and I am not sure if any else does, but I do know throwing the baby out with the bathwater won't work.


Maybe it really is cheaper to have a guaranteed annual income, as opposed to the various welfare schemes and programs that abound, that not only dole out money, but also cost a huge amount in overhead with government workers, earning government level wages.




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« Reply #77 on: August 24, 2017, 02:35:58 PM »
Agree to some extent, I don't agree with a strictly capitalistic system.  You have to have some compassion and help people in society that are struggling for sure.

Maybe people in Norway are happier because they've never experienced a system like ours, where you can get ahead if you put in the time and effort and use your brains (not in every occupation, but generally hard work is still rewarded more than laziness). 

There are those that are trying hard to change our system to take away the incentive to work hard.  Are you going to bust your butt just so that Notley or Trudeau will take away any excess and leave you with the same amount as the slacker? 

I won't, I'll figure out a way to just use the system also, as I'm not willing to support losers.

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« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2017, 05:05:20 PM »

Hey AVB:

How is the welfare system down in Florida?  Is it better or the same as Canada?  Can a person live off of "food stamps"? Is what we see from the U.S. media about those poo folks really true?

Please note that I am not being sarcastic. Since you visit there regularly you are able to see what things are like.

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« Reply #79 on: August 24, 2017, 05:46:26 PM »
Perfect time to insert this video.  Watch carefully and see it it rings any bells about what is happening in Canada and the USA.
Especially starting at 1:07, remind you of anyone here in Canada?

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