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Sonny

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What's up with these signs?
« on: October 14, 2013, 08:19:55 PM »
I've seen signs like this one on several roads in wmu342 and have no idea what they mean.
I know it says wildlife management but wtf does that exactly mean?

Anyone know?

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 08:32:28 PM »
Unless it's listed as a wildlife corridor all it means is they most likely close it during the Caribou birthing season. If the gate isn't locked you as a private user may use the road, if it's locked you may go around the gate with your ATV and hunt away.. Remember,, oil companies don't own these roads they only lease them for the purpose of extracting the product. Unless there is imminent danger to public they can not stop you from using the road. In the past I have removed many of these locks,, just cause the pizz me off..
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Sonny

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 08:49:55 PM »
Ah ok thanks for the info walleyes.

Some of these gates I could get my Ranger around them and others would be quad only around the gate.There is one of these on Peppers lake road west of highway 40 and the gate was open but I was worried that if someone locked the gate behind me I'd be hooped.(not really lol) ;)

One guy told me that it had something to do with sour gas or something but that didn't sound right.

So parking beside the gate and off loading the quad it will be.. ;D

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 09:26:49 PM »
We got locked in once, we came in the day prior to the opener, and when we went to leave it was locked. We called the plant operator to let us out and he admitted he locked it because he hunts in there and doesn't want other guys in there. I chuckled when he said he had trailcam pics of the elk my buddy had in the back of his pickup.

They have absolutely no right or authority to keep you out of there. I wouldn't hesitate to drive around that gate with my Samurai.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 08:12:04 PM »

It actually is a law.  If it is legally closed it is CLOSED.  Going around it or breaking the lock off is illegal.




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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 08:16:47 PM »
Like I said,, go around the gate with yer ATV and hunt away,, go in the ditch if you want,, you won't be on the road..  Like the sign says,, on highway vehicles.. In most cases they just get tired of fixing ruts in the road, but they can't stop access to an area..

But that's OK Duffy,, you turn around..
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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 08:18:42 PM »
he admitted he locked it because he hunts in there and doesn't want other guys in there.

Wonder how many of those gate's are locked for that reason, or a few bucks in someone's pocket?  In either case, it's crown land on both sides.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2013, 08:37:56 PM »
Loosy goosy law there, there is no mention of authority. If the Srd closes a road I say they have the authority and if the leaseholder has rights to the road I suppose they can control who uses the road. I am not encouraging people to use the road or bust the lock but if it's crown land both sides I see no issue with using crown land. There has to be right to access on all crown lands because guess what, we as taxpayers technically own it.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2013, 09:23:28 PM »
It actually is a law.  If it is legally closed it is CLOSED.  Going around it or breaking the lock off is illegal.

And driving 101 km per hour in a 100 km per hour zone is also illegal but I'll bet you still did it right?

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 07:52:04 PM »
And driving 101 km per hour in a 100 km per hour zone is also illegal but I'll bet you still did it right?


But you are not saying it is OK to break any and all laws are you?

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 08:21:11 PM »

But you are not saying it is OK to break any and all laws are you?

Well here's the deal....cops will not stop you for going 10% over the legal limit.

But..Let's get back to the pic I posted..ok

The sign says wildlife management..

That's my question..

What wildlife management are they talking about?

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 08:24:04 AM »
When the oil companies built these roads to access wells etc, one of the byproducts was access by hunters to areas that they would otherwise have to make a greater effort to get to.  Now during regular hunting season its not that big of a deal but it became a bigger deal in the dead of winter when these animals are stressed and concentrated.  These roads gave access to people that do not need hunting licences and can hunt all year round.  Many times you will see these gates locked during December through April to protect the animals during the winter.  Personally I like the gates, helps create area that will have less access for the average road hunter.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 06:49:36 PM »
Get your self a vhs radio and it shouldn't be a problem using these roads. The main arguement used to keep people off industry roads is safety. Call your km's and it shouldn't be a problem. The only issues you'll have are with operators who think it's their own private hunting ground. you might want to pack some tools or a bolt cutter incase some one locks you in. My Neighbor was havng issues with this and all he did was buy a radio. They bump into operators who threaten to call F&W and he laughs and hands them the local fish cops card and says go ahead.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 08:05:28 AM »
Loosy goosy law there, there is no mention of authority. If the Srd closes a road I say they have the authority and if the leaseholder has rights to the road I suppose they can control who uses the road. I am not encouraging people to use the road or bust the lock but if it's crown land both sides I see no issue with using crown land. There has to be right to access on all crown lands because guess what, we as taxpayers technically own it.

There is mention of authority.  Section 54.01 of the Public Lands Act.  And the LOC (Licence of Occupation) # on the sign.

So the company makes application to the Province to build a road and right-of-way (the ditch to ditch portion) and the Province can give the company  a licence to make use of that area.  The Province and or the company can set out conditions for its use.

When it is gated it doesn't matter if it pizzes you off or you don't think its fair, you can not just ignore it and go around unless you are one of those people who thinks laws are for other people but not for you.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 08:58:15 AM »
When you see the oil patch big wig with his truck loaded up with quads and his family for day of adventuring on one of these gated roads section 54.01 can bite me.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 12:56:21 PM »
When you see the oil patch big wig with his truck loaded up with quads and his family for day of adventuring on one of these gated roads section 54.01 can bite me.

Would you say that kind of situation is a "common thing"  a "rare thing" or an "urban legend"

When ever I see someone else doing something wrong it sometimes makes me mad and makes me want to do something to stop them but never makes me want to do the same because they were.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 01:52:39 PM »
Rather than guess I called! 

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2013, 01:55:19 PM »
Would you say that kind of situation is a "common thing"  a "rare thing" or an "urban legend"

When ever I see someone else doing something wrong it sometimes makes me mad and makes me want to do something to stop them but never makes me want to do the same because they were.

I see your still an idiot eh Duffy !!! Normally that would bug me but look at who it's coming from. Prove to me that people are being charged for accessing these roads safely ( with a vhs radio) that are posted with signs from OP.

Sonny we share the same MLA ask him about the sign. My neighbor had discussion with Robin Campbell about road access in the area he hunts and he said go ahead and use the road. F&W knows he uses the road and he hasn't been charged.

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2013, 06:36:12 PM »
dark wing, you seem to have the tone of a person who used to be on here.  Were you banned and have come on under a new name?

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Re: What's up with these signs?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 07:14:51 PM »
dark wing, you seem to have the tone of a person who used to be on here.  Were you banned and have come on under a new name?

Just quoting this so you can't remove it. 
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