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JIMMY 808

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Re: Alberta game management
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2016, 08:09:26 PM »
Don't think I have ever run into a situation where some one said it is what it is with out someone getting ****ed over.

But come on guys do we really want to keep Americans out of our province?

I see nothing wrong with legit outfitting operations I make my living of natural resources so do outfitters. Would collapsing an industry for the last 10% of draw tags really make a diffrance?

 

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2016, 08:29:39 PM »
The problem I have Jimmy is when we have long time residents of this province going with out a moose tag and an outfitter out there with a tag and a non resident hunting,, this happens too much for my liking. If there are not enough tags for us why sell any to outsiders. Deer are different they aren't on a draw, those populations we have no issues with but,, same  there. There are places I used to hunt 10 years ago I don't even bother with anymore because when I get there, there is an American sitting in a stand on every second line,, this I have an issue with. If one resident goes without a moose tag and that tag is sold to an American that's one tag to many given away.

Yes everyone has a right to make living, but the reality of it is,, the province doesn't make a whole lot from outfitting, just as much revenue could be made from local hunters using those tags and buying the equipment to go a long with it. An outfitter buys some groceries and takes 2 hunters in the bush and puts them in a tent for 10 days. Just as much money is made from 3 local hunters buying a tent and the groceries and staying in same bush for 10 days. The local guy buys his gun here, his shells here, his clothes here probably more than offsets what ever tax that outfitter pays for that one hunt.

Maybe it's time for outfitting going the way of comercial fishing in this province,, there is just no room for it anymore.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2016, 12:20:10 AM »
I agree with Walleyes. I don't think any tags that require a resident to be drawn should be available to non-res. That doesn't mean "keep the americans out". There are bear, whitetail, elk, sheep etc., general tags that are available to non-res.
Like Walleyes said maybe time to go the way of commercial fishing, or for that matter the oil industry lately. Obviously the current gov't doesn't care about "industry".

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2016, 07:49:22 AM »
Ok.

Outfitting is collapsed family's have gone hungry good people are out of work and Albertas name is as good as mud to all non resadent hunters.

Rejoice 10% increase in draw tags has been forwarded to resident hunters, good thing to because albertans are no longer welcome any where else.

In reality I doubt it would even increase residents odds of a draw by 2%

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2016, 07:58:56 AM »
In the end Jimmy how many outfitters live year round from hunting I would guess maybe half if that most have other jobs or farm in the off season. For those that do live off of it again there is deer, bear (not Mule deer) to guide. But like I said it's coming to the point it's over in this province.

I'm sorry but the place is just getting to populated to maintane the status quo. Can you go to Maine and hunt moose, no why not too, many people right. The population has basicly collapsed there are we going to let ours get to that point and keep giving tags away until it's to late.

You keep bringing up the 10% issue. Again if just 1 tag is sold to an outsider and a resident goes without that is wrong.

Times change we have to be smart enough to change with them.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 08:18:26 AM »
Id like to see the 212 elk hunt go to all landowner tags as resident hunters prove every year that they can not handle the responsibility. As far as getting rid of outfitters you people are insane, do you know how much revenue is generated just from black bear hunting? And those tags are cheap. Getting rid of outfitter tags is not going to have any effect on your draw priorities like was said earlier there are 4 million people in the province now, sorry boys the good old days are gone forever (I miss them as well) I would like to see a 5-10 year period of catch and release only fishing in the province to help get fish stocks and sizes back up, the closing of the commercial fishery should help quit a bit as well. We have over a million Licensed anglers in the province so you can bet the real number with natives, children, and people over 65 is probably closer to 3 million. We have next to no water here, there may be a few lakes that can sustain catch and keep fishing but they are few and far between. I would also like to see a study on the effects of Wake Boats on the lake ecosystem, I just can't imagine those huge waves do any good for any species in the lake. I think the supplemental deer tags could be cut out.
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 08:23:24 AM »
If you really want a moose all you need to do is drive north, but hey leaving the 20 mins from home radius isn't for everybody.
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 08:35:42 AM »
Easy now,, no lectures on moose hunting please. Don't want to embarrass yourself here.

So you guys that advocate outfitters feel that a resident that was born and raised in this province, paid taxes for 20 - 30 years, been part of their local fish and game club, donated to many projects in the province should sit home for 3 years waiting on a moose tag while during those same years there are outsiders in those zones shooting moose based just on the fact they have more money and can buy a tag.

Based on your assumptions hunting should be for those that can afford it.

The revenue generated from outfitting that is put back in the province is minimal. The same money can be generated by those tags being used by locals spending that money on the gear and resources to get the game. The $10,000.00 paid by the hunter to hunt goes to the outfitter not the province. The taxes paid on that would be offset by the locals buying ALL their gear and supplies at home. I don't care what inflated numbers the business uses common sense can tell you this.
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Re: Alberta game management
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 09:43:09 AM »
A resident that was born and raised in this province, paid taxes for 20 - 30 years
  You mean me you and the ten other guys right? :)

I like to play fair.

So playing fair wouldn’t the right thing to do be to allow resident hunters the opportunity to purchase outfitter tags and use outfitters as such?

I mention 10% as I thought that’s what outfitters hold.     




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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 10:58:40 AM »
Careful walleyes your starting to sound like a commie ;) I wasn't trying to tell you how to hunt moose, if your bitching about a 3 year priority for moose you need to give your head a shake. As far as the moose population goes we all know who kills majority of the moose in the province and they are not paying for a license. As far as the money outfitters receive your god damned right it goes directly back to the province, the people of the province that is. I don't know too many people that don't spend almost every penny they make. I agree with Jimmy the way to truly make it fair would be to allow residents to purchase hunts from outfitters. The sense of entitlement for hunting and fishing in this country is insane, and probably much to do with the situations we are facing now, it's a privilege not a right. Maybe the cow moose tags should be done away with that would surely help numbers go up and drop priorities?
On a side note, have you seen any  noticable fish population decline over the last couple decades on Cold Lake?
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 02:43:23 PM »
It looks like we are going to have to just agree to disagree on this issue. If I am asked, if I ever have input towards these issues I will stand by what I say and feel.

You have good points gentlemen and I respect that, I just don't agree with all of it.

As far as Cold Lake goes Rob. I personely haven't fished the lake long enough to give and honest opinion on that issue. I know as far as the Trout go I have seen a decrease in size over the last 5 years that I have been fishing it steadily. Lots of numbers but the size has dropped off. Again just another example of mismanagement and brain dead policy by the people in charge.
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Re: Alberta game management
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2016, 03:33:27 PM »
Can’t argue that there is an old boys club within the SRD but isn’t this the lady we should be sending all the concerned letters to?  I think its best we shut up for the next 4 years…   






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Shannon Phillips (born September 4, 1975) is a Canadian politician who was elected in the Alberta general election, 2015 to the Legislative Assembly of Alberta representing the electoral district of Lethbridge-West.[1] On May 24, 2015 she was sworn in as the Minister of Environment and Parks and Minister Responsible for the Status of Women in the Alberta Cabinet.[2] She also serves as the Deputy House Leader for the NDP Caucus. Phillips previously ran in the 2012 general election losing to PC incumbent Greg Weadick.
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Re: Alberta game management
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2016, 04:17:19 PM »
On that we agree Jimmy. But the question was posted and it was answered openly and honestly by those that care.

I don't want a commie making any decision for me even if it's something I agree with. I can't wait for those people to get the boot. Just hold the status quo for 3 more years then we can make some serious decisions.

I don't trust those people to decide what kind of suckers to hand out at Haloween never mind something I actualy care about.
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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2016, 04:37:59 PM »
Given the 10% rule, now I am not sure this is accurate or not I am not up to date on the matter. But given the 10% if this is accurate in regards to moose there were 1,101 moose draws handed out last year. 10% of that is 110 residents that sat home last year and went without while a foreigner came in and hunted for a moose. To me 110 people going without is not an insignificant amount of people.

Again, 1 resident sitting at home while a foreigner takes a moose is too much for me. Us first, if there is any left over then pass it on if not to bad.
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2016, 04:50:41 PM »
By the way hunting was made a right not a privilege by our last government that is written down.

Maybe it's a privilege for you for me it's my right as a citizen of my province.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/H15P5.pdf
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2016, 05:04:28 PM »
By the way hunting was made a right not a privilege by our last government that is written down.

Maybe it's a privilege for you for me it's my right as a citizen of my province.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/H15P5.pdf

Prefect more ammo that we need on our side for firearms.

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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2016, 05:23:19 PM »
Prefect more ammo that we need on our side for firearms.

I guess they could tell us to hunt with a bow or spear though.

Which would be ok some of the times I guess. Probly help game populations though wouldn't it lol.
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2016, 05:37:24 PM »
3 year wait for a moose tag. hmmmm that may be the exception south of Edmonton.
Nobody said get rid of outfitters, only the Non-res opportunity for any species that is on draw in the same wmu.
The point is NOT a less waiting time for residents. The point is a non-res should NOT have more opportunity than a res.

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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2016, 06:14:02 PM »
By the way hunting was made a right not a privilege by our last government that is written down.

Maybe it's a privilege for you for me it's my right as a citizen of my province.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/H15P5.pdf
Well hells bells, I was unaware of this! That's pretty cool. I can agree to disagree ;)
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2016, 06:57:39 PM »
3 year wait for a moose tag. hmmmm that may be the exception south of Edmonton.
Nobody said get rid of outfitters, only the Non-res opportunity for any species that is on draw in the same wmu.
The point is NOT a less waiting time for residents. The point is a non-res should NOT have more opportunity than a res.

Back on page one there is mention of no more outfitters.

The outfitter tags are NOT resident tags!

But I would love for you to have the opertunity to purches the tags from them.

If yet that isn't good enough then I suggest 25% of resident  draw tags go up for auction every year and you can bid for them.