i Have 8 Black Bears hunting spot and stalk .. 6 Black phase and 1 Cinnamon also a blonde

i do not agree with baiting of any kind .. here is a read

David
Executive Summary
The Ecological and Human Social Effects of Artificial Feeding and Baiting of Wildlife
In recent years, events within Canada and the United States have drawn attention to potential negative consequences of feeding and baiting wild animals, especially enhanced transmission of infectious diseases such as bovine tuberculosis and chronic wasting disease. This report was prepared to gather available science-based information on the ecological and human social effects of artificial feeding and baiting of wildlife into one readily accessible document. The contracting agencies, Parks Canada and Saskatchewan Environment, recognize that an objective review of existing literature may help to answer questions and concerns within and outside the agencies, and help to guide subsequent decision-making concerning management and research pertaining to feeding and baiting.
Although the objectives for artificial feeding and baiting with feed often differ, the effects of these practices are considered together. In essence, both provide natural or artificial food for wildlife at specific locations in the environment.
Significant ecological effects of providing feed to wildlife have been documented through observation and experimentation at the individual, population, and community levels. In Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the increased potential for disease transmission and outbreak is perhaps of greatest and immediate concern. Nevertheless, even if spread of disease is prevented, other significant ecological concerns exist. Disruption of animal movement patterns and spatial distribution, alteration of community structure with reduced diversity and abundance, the introduction and invasion of exotic plant species, and general degradation of habitat are all major negative effects that have been documented at different locations throughout North America. Although information gaps exist, current information appears sufficient to conclude that the potential for negative ecological effects as a result of providing food to wildlife through artificial feeding or baiting is high. Nevertheless, our current understanding of the specific mechanisms operating between cause (feeding or baiting) and effect is often too crude to allow accurate prediction of the nature or magnitude of effect.
The human social effects of providing food to wildlife concern numerous issues (economics, human safety, wildlife ownership, etc.), and perceptions regarding specific issues can be quite disparate. The science-based information is limited in part because philosophical differences lie at the root of many of the issues and science is not the appropriate tool for resolution, e.g., science cannot determine whether hunting over bait is ethical or not.
Review

I believe there is a lot of information missing from this post.  According to this author, every bird feeder should be banned as well.  While baiting may have negative for some groups of wildlife, it has no effect on others.  Most of these studies have been done around prolonged feeding of whitetail deer and doestic elk.  It would be erroneous to extrapolate these type of results to all ungulates and then start making the same judgements to other mammals/birds etc.  Anyway, bears will naturally stay at a food location for 3-4 weeks as long as it stays productive. 

Anyone that has hunted bears over bait will know that the bears will still travel and feed in other areas while only coming to a bait every few days, expecially mature animals.  Often a bear may be at a bait for a short period then move on regardless of whether you keep feedig them or not.

IMO baiting bears is one of the most ethical ways to hunt them.  Gives the hunter appropriate time to judge the animal and ensure mature animals/boars are harvested.

I believe there is a lot of information missing from this post.  According to this author, every bird feeder should be banned as well.  While baiting may have negative for some groups of wildlife, it has no effect on others.  Most of these studies have been done around prolonged feeding of whitetail deer and doestic elk.  It would be erroneous to extrapolate these type of results to all ungulates and then start making the same judgements to other mammals/birds etc.  Anyway, bears will naturally stay at a food location for 3-4 weeks as long as it stays productive. 

Anyone that has hunted bears over bait will know that the bears will still travel and feed in other areas while only coming to a bait every few days, expecially mature animals.  Often a bear may be at a bait for a short period then move on regardless of whether you keep feedig them or not.

IMO baiting bears is one of the most ethical ways to hunt them.  Gives the hunter appropriate time to judge the animal and ensure mature animals/boars are harvested.

X2 the information that was presented wasn't really pertaining to bears at all but to herd animals that through baiting pull large numbers together and yes could cause greater spread of things like CWD. But with bears the ones you pull in are living in cohabitation really anyways and your on average only pulling a few bears in so it's not a mass migration into the bait as deer or elk are.

That is all I was trying to say.  I am like you Paul and this year I am trying baiting with someone and I sure don't like hearing it should be illegal.  We don't need that as a hunting community.  Also I do NOT see baiting of any animal as wrong(no I don't).  Sask does it and it probably helps with less wounded animals and more ethical shots for most people.    I don't drink the cwd koolaid that two members do on here so i don't think that matters when it comes to bait sites. Still waiting for all the evidence to discredit 40+ years of data.

Justin I thought you did not like using the "ethical" card. Speaking about Ethical shots for most people? That is kind of implying yours are and some others are not? Slippery slope.

If in any way anyone posts a post to be against a legal mean of hunting is against all hunters cause they are helping anti hunting groups.  That is all I ment and this is a blanket statement to everybody not just you David.

I know a lot of people have this idea but I disagree.

If you think a method of legal hunting is good you can express your opinion on that.  If you do not like a method of hunting you should be able to express that opinion.  The truth is the truth.

I really don't see how anti-hunters gain any advantage by hunters having legitimate disagreements.


Back to the topic I have two bait barrels that need to go out this week and two tree stands that need to go with them.  I have never set out a trail cam at a bear bait and wonder how I can place then so the bears will not beat them up?  Any tips?

I tried googling "anti-hunter" and "Anti-hunter and Alberta Outdoorsmen" but could not find anything related to what you are saying.

That is why TJ wrote in that mag about hunters need to quit fighting against and join together.

All i got to say about thatis, Pot, meet Kettle.

Wasn't even directed at you. Sure got a chip on your shoulder. T.J. does more arguing than anyone I know. So wtf is he to say anything about fighting amongst hunters? Well.... I guess he is the expert.

Two threads on here right now bashing TJ.  Man, you guys really are infatuated with him LOL.  Quite the fan club he has over here LOL.  The guy doesn't even come on this site, and yet you're (not just you guido, there's plenty of others) still trashing him.  Unreal.  I had high hopes for this site when I first registered, but with all the bickering, fighting, name calling, chest thumping, and all around BS, I sure don't like what it's turned in to lately.  I find myself logging in here less and less.  Sure would be nice if it changed......

Two threads on here right now bashing TJ.  Man, you guys really are infatuated with him LOL.  Quite the fan club he has over here LOL.  The guy doesn't even come on this site, and yet you're (not just you guido, there's plenty of others) still trashing him.  Unreal.  I had high hopes for this site when I first registered, but with all the bickering, fighting, name calling, chest thumping, and all around BS, I sure don't like what it's turned in to lately.  I find myself logging in here less and less.  Sure would be nice if it changed......

Some days are better than others just like any place I guess.. For the most part it is a more accepting crowd than some forums i am on. in the end thats what this place was designed around,, freedom of speech with little censorship..

Some days are better than others just like any place I guess.. For the most part it is a more accepting crowd. That's what this place was designed around,, freedom of speech with little censorship..

Fair enough, but there's a difference between free speech and outright slandering a guy on a public forum.  A guy that, like him or not, you have to admit, has done a lot for outdoorsmen in this province.  I think a lot of it, and this isn't directed specifically at you walleyes, stems from nothing more than plain old jelousy.

No doubt about it Dave.. Personally I have no issue with the guy yes we had a couple go rounds over the years but in the end we always forgot about it and moved on. Like him or not TJ is an ambassador of this sport. He has done more for the game than I will in a lifetime guaranteed. The man rarely spoke out his ass and was very well versed on many issues. Personally I would like to see the man on here,, but I know that would never happen. But he has chose to be in the lime light if you will and was not innocent by any means when it came to stirring the pot and raising shit.