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deerman

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OHV regulation
« on: February 08, 2013, 10:56:38 PM »

BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Alberta Fish and Game Association request Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development remove the current regulations restricting the use of off-highway vehicles from Alberta's Hunting Regulations.

This resolution will be voted on at the AF&GA conference in a few weeks.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 07:47:16 AM »
It's about time, I hope they do the same in Sask too. I don't think there are many guys out there today hunting without a ATV.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 10:33:44 AM »
I hope this never happens. I for one am against them is the areas I hunt. They wreck the landscape. Look at places that allow them to be used. Miles upon miles of destroyed contry side. Also when I am in the mountains walking in for sheep or elk or whatever I am hunting I don't wan to see or here those Dam things.

 I disagree with your opinion. If they are allowed AND must stay on established trails, they don't do any damage. Enforcement is what is needed, not a special time frame.  Because YOU don't want, doesn't mean they are bad. If quads are allowed at all hours there will still be places that are off limits to them. Any restriction in any part of OUR sport is a bad thing. There is a place that i frequent that allows OHV's under 800 lbs, and must say on trails. That means no side x sides. Also no bikes. What sense does that make???

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 11:28:07 AM »
Yup,, open her up.. Just another silly rule put in place by a group that feels its entitled to special rules over the next because,, well their way is the best way. You want to get away from a machine,, be a man and go where where a machine can't go,, get off the quad trail if you dont want to see a quad..

I would say its very rare,, and I mean very rare that a man hunting on a quad wrecks any landscape.. A train of horses going through a bog does more damage than a couple quads anyday.. But I geuss the horse tracks are pretty or something,, don't know.. Now a drunken group of idiots tearing up and down a slope on a weekend get away thats another thing,, but punish them not the guy out there idling along on trails looking for game..

ENFORCEMENT NOT REGULATION is whats needed when are people going to get that figured out..

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 11:36:38 AM »
Enforcement??  You paying for this enforcement as the government can't afford to pay for anything other then there salaries and pentions. Also I grew up down there and back in the day when no one had a ohv Indian graves did not look anything like it does now.  Maclean and wiprous look the same. Destroyed. Even if there is enforcement there is always a few that will destroy it. So I still am against them. I would rather pack everything out on my back then allow any quads in to all these areas. Oh and yes I have or have access to one at any given time. I am just more into the hunt then being lazy riding quads all over the country side calling that hunting. If you call that hunting you are the same guy who drive up and down the roads looking for deer or you are just old and can't hunt like that anymore.     ;)

Boy I tell yah,, sometimes I think you are on the wrong site Justin.. Theres one a couple clicks away full of outdoorsman that think their weekend getaways should rule the day..

Lazy !! lol,, nah forget it I won't bother feeding you..


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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 01:11:07 PM »
First off I have issues with some quad rules because in ceratin places they are just useless rules that serve no purpose other than revenue creation for the powers at be. Second,, no you can't hunt off of them 24hrs a day cause well,, you can't hunt 24hrs a day and whether its private land or crown if said land falls in an area with OHV rules same applies to both lands. Third,, I called you out because you are bringing the same attitude that many of us try and escape from from other sites and that is calling other people out and the name calling,, like calling them lazy.. If you prefer to walk while your hunting power to you,, why is it you find it neccessary to call other hunters names and try and make them feel less atiquite than you..

JR,, I've spent more time in the woods, walked more miles in the bush by the time I was 15 years old than you have in your life,, garunteed.. I don't need nor do I appreceate being called names because at times when it is required I choose to hunt in a differant method than you do.

You have an opinion fine,, don't call others names to get your point accross..

And yes I tryed AO again,, and have chosen to leave because there is just to much of this kind of stuff over there.. Don't turn this into that type of place,, be civil for Gods sake can you..


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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 01:53:08 PM »
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Lazy !! lol,, nah forget it I won't bother feeding you..

Walleyes, your wasting your breath, not much intelligent conversation comes out of that guy, just lots of name calling and a no-it-all attitude.

I would love to see the no ATV morning rule thrown out. I hunted in the 304 every year and I know a few guys that set up camp just up from us. Roddy and his brother had Toyota trucks all chained up with winches and hoist on them. Completely over hauled for the bush. I had many a good conversation with Roddy and got to know him quite well over the years. He told me one time he could go anywhere my quad could go and he was bang on, as long as trees or something didn't get in his way. He used to call his toy a quad with a heater in it. Roddy was a GREAT guy but I was a little evnvious he could go out in the morning in his Toyota and I had to wait until noon. Often on the cutline I'd be walking and Roddy would drive past me in his Toyota with a big smile on his face and wave.....Bastard!   lol

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 02:30:54 PM »
Obviously this is a HOT ISSUE with groups on each side of the fence.  I reckon at the conference it will be the same.

However there is no need to have the discussion break down into personnel insults.

I think the regulation as it stands is a good compromise.

You cannot carry a firearm on an OHV before noon (with some specific exceptions) which should make the "non-ohv" group happy.

And you can carry a firearm on an OHV afternoon, which should make the "pro-OHV" people happy.

This resolution is put forth by someone who wants to be happy all day and does not care if some others will be pizzed off all day.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 02:40:17 PM »
  I have done my fair share of using 4x4s and quads I donít see changing the regulations to allow use in morning that big of a deal.  The trails are already there for the most part seismic lines Pac trails I can rip through the muskeg on my Quad or let my horse take a dump in a mountain meadow nothing like spreading butter cup to the alpine.
 
 At the end of the day Quads, Horses, 4X4s require effort all people are Lazy in one form or another I donít take the stairs in buildings I ride the #@$! out of the elevator the fornt seat of a pickup is still a lot warmer.       

The amount of people that are in Alberta is becoming the problem itís hard to hang your pecker out without being on a trail cam!   

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 02:55:16 PM »
"The amount of people that are in Alberta is becoming the problem..."

That is forsure!  The number of people on horses and OHVs is a big problem.  The OHVs are however a much bigger problem.


The change in the regulations should be in the Public Lands Act and Regulations.

No OHVs or motorized vehicles can be operated off road from 1 hour before sunrise until noon from the first of September until the 30th of November.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 02:57:17 PM »
Obviously this is a HOT ISSUE with groups on each side of the fence.  I reckon at the conference it will be the same.

However there is no need to have the discussion break down into personnel insults.

I think the regulation as it stands is a good compromise.

You cannot carry a firearm on an OHV before noon (with some specific exceptions) which should make the "non-ohv" group happy.

And you can carry a firearm on an OHV afternoon, which should make the "pro-OHV" people happy.

This resolution is put forth by someone who wants to be happy all day and does not care if some others will be pizzed off all day.


I'm going to agree with you on this . I like the current rules as they are. I've talked with guys who hunted wmu 353 an area that doesn't have quad restrictions. It can be a gong show in the busier areas with the high number of moose tags that were given out. Nothing worse than hiking for a couple of hours into an area where you know holds elk in the dark and have a quad roll in and push them over the ridge and into the next valley.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 03:11:13 PM »
This rule doesn't even effect me alot I only hunt one zone that this rule is in effect and to be honest,, after what I saw last fall its a joke anyways,, quads gallore running around before noon so whats the point.. Like I said,, make all the rules you want,, its enforecment we need..

The farther northern zones that we hunt this rule is not in effect and there is no real need for it,, most of those zones are not that heavy pressured anyways. As far as the western mountain zones,, I have no real vested interest in them and after reading forums like this and hearing all the gripping and fighting over them,, you all can have them.. Sounds like a real cluster f@ck to me.. I hunted the mountains for 3 years a while back and it didn't really do it for me. Nope,, I'll stick to my boreal forest but like anything,, the more opurtunities that are opened the better as far as I'm concerned,, wayyyyyy to many rules in this country all ready.. Hate rules,,can't stand em.

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 03:13:06 PM »
"The amount of people that are in Alberta is becoming the problem..."

That is forsure!  The number of people on horses and OHVs is a big problem.  The OHVs are however a much bigger problem.


The change in the regulations should be in the Public Lands Act and Regulations.

No OHVs or motorized vehicles can be operated off road from 1 hour before sunrise until noon from the first of September until the 30th of November.

As my Passed away grandfather would say in my time people used to @#!$ outside and eat inside now guys want to eat outside and #@!$ inside.  Itís a little bit of cowboy logic that I think applies to Alberta

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2013, 07:39:40 PM »
I really hope that they do away with this 12:00 quad rule.  It's stupid and pointless (and, as walleyes stated, totally disregarded by many, I've seen it first hand).  What I don't understand is why I'm allowed to get on my horse and ride into an area before noon, but not my quad?  If I'm riding my horse before noon, I'm still gaining an "advantage" over, and/or disturbing the hunt of, someone on the same trail travelling on foot, the same as I would if I were riding my quad (I own both horses and a quad, and use both for hunting in different areas/applications, and I also hike into areas as well).  This law makes no sense, never has.  Get rid of it.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2013, 08:00:23 PM by albertadave »

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2013, 08:34:24 PM »
I agree with walleyes no shortage of morning ATV hunters around lots of guys ignore the rule, anyway I solved the no ATV issue in the morning last year building my samurai, does that mean I run allover the bush with it no, but it gets me a long way in away from the roadhunters and guys on foot

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2013, 08:52:26 PM »
I love that little unit Paul lol.. What a gem..

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2013, 09:59:56 PM »
Enforcement??  You paying for this enforcement as the government can't afford to pay for anything other then there salaries and pentions. Also I grew up down there and back in the day when no one had a ohv Indian graves did not look anything like it does now.  Maclean and wiprous look the same. Destroyed. Even if there is enforcement there is always a few that will destroy it. So I still am against them. I would rather pack everything out on my back then allow any quads in to all these areas. Oh and yes I have or have access to one at any given time.  I am just more into the hunt then being lazy riding quads all over the country side calling that hunting. If you call that hunting you are the same guy who drive up and down the roads looking for deer or you are just old and can't hunt like that anymore.    ;)

Well, if there is no enforcement they can make all the laws they want. Whose going to follow them? You may be able to drag things out on your back, but not everyone can. Should they be held back because they are old, injured or handicapped? just because someone rides a quad doesn't make them lazy. but making ignorant comments can sure make you look like an ass. It actually pisses me off that some high and mighty person that only walks to hunt thinks any other way is the wrong way.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2013, 10:02:14 PM by Guido »

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2013, 10:46:11 PM »
I already stated I don't care what you do.I never said I wa better than anybody.

I am just more into the hunt then being lazy riding quads all over the country side calling that hunting. If you call that hunting you are the same guy who drive up and down the roads looking for deer or you are just old and can't hunt like that anymore.    ;)



Whatever.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2013, 11:55:55 PM by Guido »

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2013, 07:22:36 AM »
Lol.  Pretty hard to lower yourself anymore.

WOW !!

Justin,,, congratulations,, you single handedly bring this site down to lower level..

Don't know why it bothers me,, at least when people come to visit they know who the asshole in the family is lol..

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Re: OHV regulation
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2013, 08:24:01 AM »
WOW !!

Justin,,, congratulations,, you single handedly bring this site down to lower level..

Don't know why it bothers me,, at least when people come to visit they know who the asshole in the family is lol..



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