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Alberta Sportsman and Outdoors Fishing or Hunting Discussion => Back at Camp => Topic started by: AxeMan on October 21, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
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Might as well start this right now.
I am an Albertan. I share very few values with those people east of here.
They might as well be from another country.
Let this start. It has my full support.
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Absolutely, time to go it on our own. No going back from here as far as I’m concerned.
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100%
I do not know anyone that is not on board for seperation.
That tells you something right there.
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Trudeau - Suck It
Scheer - Suck It
Singh - Suck It
May - Suck It
I will not support any of these. They can all piss off as far as I am concerned.
Alberta separation only. This is so obvious.
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Question: where are you from. Answer: Alberta. Question: no I mean what county. Answer: Alberta. And I will walk away from the Canadian national anthem before I stand and take my hat off to it. If Turd can screw Canada so can I. My dad fought and an uncle died in vain for this. Sad.
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Yes our household is in, it’s time to get serious about this issue.
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The big thing on Social media and Facebook is the WEXIT movement
Alberta Separation claiming 60 K members overnight...
There are several other separation movements on line !
I think generally people are pissed....
WEXIT flag
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I don't see how separation will work with us land locked(enlighten me).
I think we would be better off following the Quebec model, our own police force, collect our own taxes etc. Firewall our resource money and keep it. Oh and see if Sask & Manitoba want to join in the new western block of Blue. I would love to see the day Quebec doesn't get another dime from us. I have voted in every election since I was 18, city, province and Federal. I'm 51 now. Every Federal election is the same, watch the east decide my fate. I had enough of this too. I really thought Harper would add more seats for the west to even the playing field but never heard it brought up once.
Let' get going with that Equalization referendum Mr Kenney. At least it will start the constitutional process.
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We were supposed to visit family in Ontario this Christmas.
Looks like I saved some money on airline tickets.
Maybe I'll buy a gun with my savings. 8)
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Sooner,
It won't be easy, but the status quo on confederation is like a slow death sentence. Death row really.
Switzerland is landlocked too, they can make it. We need to build trade options to the south with the USA.
We need to start this project. And forget the Scheer's and Kenny's, this is bigger than those failed conventional politicians.
Your ideas are a start. Booting out the RCMP is the best way to start this. Idiot Ed Stelmach signed them on for 20 years in 2011.
See why I say these idiot conventional politicians need the boot too. Tear up that contract and say tough beans. Trudeau does that kind of shit all the time.
Kenny and Harper renegotiated the equalization formula in the 2007 Federal budget that delivered an even larger increase to Quebec.
Scheer was falling all over himself for Canadian unity on the last weekend of the campaign. He knows Alberta is pissed and Quebec wants out too.
This starts with the building of a strong separatist party in Alberta that will start to look at all of the big issues of doing it.
It is now like a very bad abusive marriage this confederation. Would you stay with a cheating, money stealing, abusive wife for your whole life. Ask yourself that.
There is already a Liberal campaign started on social media to silence Alberta separatism. It is being called nebulous separatism and just paints this idea as grumbling minority losing conservatives in Alberta. As the socialist noose tightens on Alberta's economy, we will see how nebulous this really is.
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Oh man, I have have so much to say about this and I am obviously pissed off after the election last night.
I have cooled off enough to be rational about this now and that may take most Albertan's a few days or weeks to process and calm down.
Let me be rational, be patient with me. This an important discussion for all of us and I hope you all weigh in. Actually, after listening to Jason Kenney, Scott Moe, and Michelle Rempel speak today, I have some renewed sanity.
First thing we have to do above all else is to reject most of the media and what they have become. IMO, they are the reason that Trudeau gets away with the nation dividing policies that we are seeing and being supported by their paid off propaganda campaign. I just watched Scott Moe rip a strip off CBC's Vassy Kapelos when she asked him an incredibly stupid insulting question about challenging his authority to represent Saskatchewan citizens right to oppose Trudeau's carbon tax policy. He absolutely scolded her (he was visibly pissed off) and pointed out the obvious that he is their Premier and the vote last night proved their opposition to the carbon tax. She turned red and apologized for the insult. Then the CBC puts on a couple experts to talk about western alienation; Bob Rae and Alison Redford. Yup, 2 of the biggest traitor lefties possible.
So much talk about Wexit and the groups starting that campaign on FaceBook and a website. We have to be careful of the guys that might be trying to cash in on this. I know nothing of this Peter Downing guy who is pushing it on FaceBook. Let me tell you that FaceBook is the wrong place to make a movement like this successful. FaceBook is as Liberal as they come and will apply it's censorship in a heartbeat. It seems like he is pushing his merchandise and membership fees a bit too hard. Trying to make a buck on this? Reality does dictate that Jason Kenney and Scott Moe will have to lead this charge.
A separatist movement will take the proper leaders, time and patience, and a great deal of resolve from us the people. Quebec took decades to get where they are now with an organized legit separatist party. It started there in late sixties and 1970 with the FLQ and really blew up. They were lefty/Marxist separatists and violent. All the years of Rene Levesque and Jacgues Parizeau after that. Today they are legit again with some clout with Yves-François Blanchet.
One trick that Trudeau has up his sleeve that we must be very aware of. He bought the TMX from Kinder Morgan for a few reasons. The Liberal back room guys are foxes. First, he bought it to take the pressure off himself, giving him time to implement Bills C69 and C48. Second, he has that card in his pocket to deal it to the natives to appease them with our money. Third and most devious, he will eventually build it when the heat in Alberta and Saskatchewan gets too hot. He will take those profits and move in and scoop the oil royalties from Alberta with transfer payments and other harsher strategies. Trudeau has said many times he will use the oil revenue to transition to green energy and cancel Alberta oil. Trudeau building the new twinning of TMP will not be the golden goose that we might expect, he will expropriate that money. Let's not get suckered. Let him build it, then we can "firewall" ourselves and screw him over.
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If we have separation what happens to my Canada Pension cheque and my old age security cheque
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If we have separation what happens to my Canada Pension cheque and my old age security cheque
I would expect the Cheques would have "Republic of Western Canada" printed on the top of the cheque.
That is money that you/we already paid into and will receive back. It is not Trudeau's....lol.
Quebec's is already separate.
Trudeau can still sign the cheques for Ontario, Altlantic Canada, and Vancouver. His severely divided country will be quite a bit smaller, not to mention hugely in debt too. If we go, Quebec goes too, that is a no brainer.
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I wonder if Justin will ever send the RCMP and Army into Alberta like the province was a big Okotoks. I remember watching Daddy on black and white tv saying "just watch me" when he implemented the war measures act in Quebec.
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Daniel Smith has some good points here. The problem with separation is as Jason Kenny has stated, it still leaves Alberta land locked which doesn’t solve a lot for us.
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/smith-alberta-heres-how-to-stop-being-a-national-doormat
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Thanks Walleyes: I was looking for that article when Danielle Smith mentioned it on her talk show this morning.
She had a really good show this morning, also dealing with the Butterfield Foundation. What is being taught to our little tyke's? >:(
You can listen to it on the QR77 radio vault.....I think.
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Switzerland is landlocked.
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Read this guys take on "landlocked". Makes some sense.
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble
How about this fact if the western provinces separated:
BC lower mainland would be cut off from Ontario and the Maritimes cut off too by Quebec's certain separation if we go.
No doubt deals would be made and we would have a lot of bargaining power to get access to tide water ports. More than we have now.
Danielle Smith: Well she talks a good game, but has a track record that speaks for itself. She threw her Premiership in the trashcan by running over to the Progressives. ::)
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This video is a year old and the sentiment has grown exponentially since then.
A good review though, and it addresses the "landlocked" problem. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
https://youtu.be/8Kel1vBLlfQ
VoteWexit.com is now at 243,655 members and growing like crazy. That is a indicator that can't be ignored.
Think about this for a second!
Trudeau and Morneau have basically outlined their plan to shut down oil and gas production in Alberta and the TMP pipeline strategy they have is just a vehicle to do exactly that.
- They have already spent $4.5B on buying TMP and will spend up to another $9.3B for the TMX project.
- They have said in the end they plan to sell it and put those dollars straight to green energy.
- They announced today that they will take every cent of profit and revenue generated by TMP and put towards green energy.
- Trudeau announced in no uncertain terms that he intends to close down the oilsands in the not so far future.
- His carbon tax policy is punishing the use of petroleum products and their future.
- Bills C69 and C48 intend to shut down energy exports.
Staying in Canada in a death sentence to the west's energy future!
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Read this guys take on "landlocked". Makes some sense.
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble
How about this fact if the western provinces separated:
BC lower mainland would be cut off from Ontario and the Maritimes cut off too by Quebec's certain separation if we go.
No doubt deals would be made and we would have a lot of bargaining power to get access to tide water ports. More than we have now.
Danielle Smith: Well she talks a good game, but has a track record that speaks for itself. She threw her Premiership in the trashcan by running over to the Progressives. ::)
We wouldn’t for one minute want the island or the lower mainland BC, then we would be out numbered by socialists to the point a lot of them are border line communists nope if we leave we don’t want them in our confederation.
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Switzerland is landlocked.
According to a UN directive no country can be cut off from access to water but with that said would they allow Alberta access to ship bitumen, I doubt it.
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We wouldn’t for one minute want the island or the lower mainland BC, then we would be out numbered by socialists to the point a lot of them are border line communists nope if we leave we don’t want them in our confederation.
Exactly, and that is what I said. Trudeau's Canada would consist of BC Lower Mainland, Ontario, and the Maritimes. All of them separated from each other.
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According to a UN directive no country can be cut off from access to water but with that said would they allow Alberta access to ship bitumen, I doubt it.
Be a pretty good reason to build a refinery.
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Be a pretty good reason to build a refinery.
And an effing Huge one. Around Redwater and Bruderheim.
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https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-alberta-needs-a-new-deal-fast-or-separation-is-inevitable
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Diane Francis. I remember her from 1995.
https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1995/6/5/a-case-against-rocks-gun-controls
Deja Vu 24 years after C-68.
Justin's new gun ban is apparently coming later this month.
I wonder how Kenney will address this new law.
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Well, Trudeau appoints Anne McLellan to represent us in the west. :'(
Any non-separation believers left now?
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Well, Trudeau appoints Anne McLellan to represent us in the west. :'(
Any non-separation believers left now?
OMG. Annie ban your gun McLellan. What a slap in the face to Alberta.
That Kenney better get off his ass and start doing something before Christmas.
Addendum: What a horrible excuse for Justin attempting to say "l I tried to reconciliate with Alberta".
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At least Kenny is giving them something to think about out east and nit just laying down and taking it like we have for do many years now.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kenney-reveals-fair-deal-plan-to-assess-alberta-run-pension-police-and-tax-collection
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^^^
From Walleye's post:
Kenney wants a provincial firearms office.
What in the heck is this going to involve?
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Canada has changed, we now have basically four Socialist parties who all are or support the Liberals. In a fair election we can never win. I am sure many of us didn't really want to Separate but now there is no other choice, and the more I think about it we are way over due. There will be many negotiations to work through, but many new countries around the world have been formed in the last 15 years that didn't have any where near the economic capabilities we have.
I can see the NewWest eventually being one of the richest countries in the world. I go on Kenneys twitter and Facebook every day asking why they (him and Moe) are still trying to negotiate with Socialist, its like the last 4 years have taught them nothing . After the slap in the face Kenney and Moe have got recently from Trudeau, I think they will finally get on board, and Kenney has already proposed some much needed changes that we can start doing now, as we will need them for Separation anyway.
I wish Kenney would appoint a Minister of Separation and Sovereignty we need to show many who are still on the fence or worried about Separation that this is serious. A SEPARATION REFERENDUM is imminent I believe and people need to educate themselves on what Separation will mean, so when the vote day comes they are confident that Separation is the only option we have if we want to live in a democratic country again. Pretty pissed that Kenney has put the word out to all the UCP to stay quite on Separation as I bet many of them are all for it. The WEXIT movement will soon be a recognized party in Alberta and I believe the next majority government in Alberta will be a Separatist party. Kenney and the UCP can support it, and join it or they will just become a bad memory.
Some interesting numbers
Alberta GDP 338 billion
Alberta CPP has a 2.9 billion net contribution
Removal of Equalization 13 billion
Federal Taxes Net 20 billion
Removal of RCMP......PRICELESS
DEBT to GDP ratio
BC-15%
AB-8.7% Our over 600 billion in equalization contributions to Canada should come in handy here for negotiations.
SK-15.4%
MB.-34.2%
ONT-37.6%
QUE-43%
NB-40%
NS-34.2%
PEI-33%
NFLD-47.3%
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This is the piece of shit that has happy socks ear. Don’t tell me these two don’t sit there and laugh at the west and scheme to screw it royaley. The SOB comes out and plainly says screw the west he has 0 interest in building any bridges with Alberta. This is the guy the leader of our country plays to and people actually see reason in staying in confederation are you fricking kidding me.
There is no place for Alberta to go but on its own.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/bloc-leader-blanchet-shows-little-sympathy-for-calls-for-western-independence-as-he-meets-trudeau
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Yup, Canada is done, put a fork in it.
We made that call 4 years ago when a Trudeau became PM again.
Oh ya, that Blanchett can suck it.
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Manning "wanted in" as we all remember.
Now they want us out. Let us turn our expulsion out of Canada into a good thing.
What is happening today is far worse than the NEP. But we survived the NEP and we did nothing.
Addendum: I stopped by the other forum, and all they are allowed to discuss is Don Cherry. You see what happens when a business operates on government funding . Banned speech.
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This Blanchett guy is so smug, freakin boils my blood when he talks. He knows he has turdo in his palm until the government falls. How a separatist party was ever given a stage in our federal politics is baffling.
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Been awhile.
Far as being landlocked, IMO it's a non issue. Think about what percentage of ont's products and consumer goods cross the prairies by train or truck to/from the west coast. For once the prairies would have a bargaining chip with teeth. Can't get our goods to market? Neither can you.
Further, klein built hwy 2 big wide twinned N/S down to Ft Macleod. Drive to the end wondering why that big hwy was put it, when you get to the S end it dawns on you that 60mi S is the border. Put a set of train tracks beside it and a pipeline between and we have free access with our cousins to the S.
May also be surprised, but I suspect yukon and nwt might be a lot more amenable to working with the prairies than ottawa thinks. Large part of the pipeline is already in place. Not that far to the alaskan yards and people who Want our business.
Far as pension, it would likely go up. As mentioned, take off the transfer pmts, and much larger all the federal tax we pay it'd be like Christmas every single day of the year.
Far as our own military, we already have established well trained and Very capable reserve units in place; there's your base to start from. With the sudden windfall of not carrying the rest of the country equipment would be pocket change.
Add in personal freedom, property rights and no more dictation of social issues from ottawa, that's a lot of plus's. Our freedoms have been selectively and carefully eroded by successive left wing gov't's who's end goal is obvious. They want everything we have, they just don't want us owning or profiting from it.
No one here wants to play ball? Becoming the 51st state is definitely an option. Instant equal say in gov't and access to all the world markets not to mention a proper constitution. Remember the US is a Republic, not a democracy. They did it right.
The way things are all canada offers the west is hardship, dictation and taxation without representation.
As stated kenney and moe are fooling themselves and wasting time. IMPO kenney talks the talk but is really saying whatever he thinks will put him in good stead for a pm run in a few years. Big talk about a prov. police force then hires 500 rc's for eg. Moe talks big then quietly announces he wants to bring in 200,000 "refugee's" next year. Neither one of them is fooling me.
I've backed cpc since before the reform party was formed. IMPO it's morphed back to the left wing pc's. All they care about is getting votes from S. ont, paying lip service to the west when necessary and then forgetting about us.....again, and again, and again.
I figure the wexit mtg's attendance numbers this winter will tell the tale. One an hour from us end of Jan. Gonna go give a listen. Platform looks good but haven't seen the bylaws yet until the parties are formed.
edit: the media's been trying hard not to have wexit in the news. Just because nothings been on the major gov't bribed, "news" doesn't mean it's not gaining steam. Let's pay attention to the attendance numbers, that's the only poll that means anything.
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Bruce, agree with you 100%. :)
The last part about the media is really bang on. The wexit will come from the very grass roots working man in a real palpable/tangible movement driven by the sensible reality of Alberta's situation. The lefty media will try to squash it because socialist governments and lefty media go hand in hand in a cycle of self preservation. Put it this way, for a real Albertan: when the times get tough, the tough get going. The rest can leave or just F off. Canada is done, just like the USA divide is irreparable.
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This is impetus to make seperation seem reasonable .
Harsh but to the point .
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Have not seen much on here about the 51 st State
option ....Facebook is busy with this idea.
I can think of a lot of pluses , ...bear in mind Truedope sees
Us as part of the Chinese state . He has already purchased
property in New York State close to the UN .
Have you noticed how much Trump has unfunded the UN
what a great guy.
Thoughts ????
MERRY XMAS EVERYONE.
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My issue with the 51 state is Trump won't be in forever and if you look at some of their options on the left well, no thank you. Their left is as far off the map as the Dippers.
Separation is a threat and in reality nothing more. I cant see it ever happening and I don't think we really want it. Just more freedom as a province and more control of our destiny is what I would prefer. There's no way at this point in time we would ever garner the votes needed if it came down to it.
I don't consider myself a Canadian unless I have to for legal things, I'm an Albertan anyways so in reality I makes no difference to me what they call me.
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It is sad that when quebec crys the blues, they get what they want yet when Alberta has had enough of the lazy ass cousin who takes and takes and wants to set some of the same rules for itself, all the east says is you can't, it's not right, you have no right.
Why the hell not? Separatism may not happen but the threat gets us listened too. Come on Kenney, get that referendum on equalization going, get talking about our own police force, collecting our own taxes and on and on. One good thing about Quebec, they set the precedent years ago. All we got to do is follow their play book.
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There is but one option, SEPARATION. And for those that don't think we can do, well bend over and continue to take it. Simple as that. Whining won't help.
Sorry sound like the asshole, but it is exactly true. Idle threats make us look like fools.
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Alberta can't keep takin a lickin and keep on tickin.
I recall the NEP being pretty bad, but our current situation is even worse.
We are losing our oilfield expertise right from the drilling mat to the massive specialty fabrication firms, to the operations and strategic planning offices in Calgary.
What does the massive number of unskilled unemployed men under 25 with no job or future do in Alberta these days? They rob my farm blind. Notice how rural crime increased recently.
Let us watch what happens in the coming year.
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I will leave this message here. The attached picture speaks volumes about this country we call Canada.
It is time we realize that it is the people in eastern Canada that are not like us. Why would we want to be in a country with them?
Quebec has more in common with France than Alberta. Atlantic Canada continues to support Liberals time after time, why would we want to be in a country with them?
They continue to screw over Alberta.
Trudeau has already laughed and thumbed his nose at the idea of Alberta separation. He is now poised to carbon tax the crap out of us in a week or so.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-oil-national-unity-pnp-1.5402945
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I agree with Axe, separation is our only hope. Sure there might be a Conservative government in place in a few years but then eastern Canada will vote in another liberal PM. It's been like this since I can remember and the BS has to stop.
It's like being in a bad marriage, sometimes the best thing to do is get a divorce. And I think that time has come. I only wish that our independence will happen in my lifetime but I doubt that it will.
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There is a big gun confiscation coming up and our local media says nothing about it? That is expected since it is run from down town Toronto.
I have not found anything on the Rebel Media either.
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https://boereport.com/2020/01/03/alberta-is-being-blockaded-something-must-be-done/
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Buy one of these !
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https://boereport.com/2020/01/03/alberta-is-being-blockaded-something-must-be-done/
I read the BOE report article. The article states the "West wants out". I think Eastern Canada wants us to get the hell out!!
The talking heads in the news tell Albertans that 2020 is going to be hunky dory. Uh Huh.
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Couple of fries short of a Happy Meal. ;D
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I believe the next majority party in Alberta will be a Separatist party. Unfortunately the current leader/founder of the Wexit party has gone off the rails and has let his ego replace what is best for Alberta. The good news is there are other more organized, rational Separatist parties in Alberta. All of them still have not realized or accepted that they MUST combine to be able to hold a majority in Alberta........when that happens...Separation is imminent. The Wildrose and the UCP were initially not keen on combining either but eventually had to toss the egos aside and do what was best for Alberta. I am confident that the Separatist parties will do the same.