Author Topic: What is wrong with people????  (Read 2609 times)

avb3

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What is wrong with people????
« on: August 22, 2017, 10:44:34 PM »
You know, when you hear about how responsible OHV owners are, and then you see crap like this, it starts to frost one's butt.


http://www.pinchercreekvoice.com/2017/08/vandals-destroy-volunteer-effort-to.html

"A collaborate effort to restore fish habitat in Chipman Creek (a tributary of Pincher Creek), was made on Saturday, August 19. Volunteers from multiple organizations including Trout Unlimited Canada, The Oldman Watershed Council, The Oldman River Chapter of Trout Unlimited, The Municipal District of Pincher Creek and local community members came together in a coordinated effort to restore and re-vegetate a decimated stream crossing."


All of the work gone into this restoration was destroyed within 48 hours. Maddening. I hope someone recognizes the hat in the article  and knows who it might belong to.

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 11:57:25 AM »
Sounds to me that some did not agree with the Council closing the road/area from what the article says.  This is one side of the story and is obviously biased to their side.

We don't know who even removed the baricades, etc. but sounds more like a case of civil disobedience than vandals.

This should not be viewed in my mind as a representation of most OHV riders, but I can tell you, people are getting fed up with these BS closures and getting fed up with the OHV community being the only ones that are blamed for issues with our fisheries, etc.

Personally, if the government were to shut down all area in the province to OHVs, there would be mass disobedience, and I'd be one of them.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 12:17:48 PM »
I agree fargineyesor, I am as guilty as the responsible OHV riders out there. We cross many rivers, and use many trails on our horses and I believe we do some damage also. I think we need to stay together as outdoors people, no matter how we use the back country. We all make an impact on it and it's up to us to make all users understand that. The back country should not be shut down to any one, but used with as little harm as possible, I think OHV riders feel the same as I do. I use a OHV to hunt, so I am included in this group also.  I think it needs policing in some areas ,as much as I hate all the laws and rules we have now in this country we need to stop the few who hurt it for all. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 12:26:18 PM »
I agree.  This particular issue, with what one can gleam from the article, seems like there's more to it.

You don't usually see someone come in an area just after a group has just worked on it, put up barricades, etc. and remove it.  This sounds like someone doesn't agree with the closure and is deliberately saying "up yours" to those that closed it.

I can see more of this push back happening in the future.

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 02:25:40 PM »
Really guys? If OHVs are banned for conservation reasons, you would ignore that? How 'responsible' is that? What's wrong with hiking in and hauling your meat out, the same way we did thirty years ago. Are you too tied to technology?


Heck, I'm a senior who has been collecting CPP for 6 years now. I'll still go back 3, 5, 10 and even 15 miles back, and make numerous trips to haul meat out. Truth is, one normally doesn't have to go further than 5 miles from a road if there are no OHVs are around, and one pretty well has the place to themselves. Hunters seem to be pretty lazy if they "need an OHV". Walk, hike or use horses. It worked for millenia, and it still does.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 02:39:22 PM »
I don't agree with the reasons they are shutting down areas, I don't agree with their "science" and I don't agree with singling out OHV users, so yes, if there is a province wide ban, I'll ignore it.  I'm sick of government weenies and their agenda-driven psychos dictating to me where I can and cannot go in this province. 

I'm not talking just hunting, I like to ride for recreation also.

30 years ago, many used trucks to get their meat out instead of OHVs, that's all that's changed.

One thing about some fishermen that bother me, I watched an online discussion where they on one hand argued that if there is ANY impact to fish from an OHV crossing a stream, they should be banned.  Then these same guys argue in another thread that even though there is scientific proof that catch and release fishing causes mortality to a certain percentage of fish released, they are okay with that mortality rate, as long as they get to keep fishing.  See the hypocrisy here?  With regard to the Castle closure, I guess building fancy resorts, in the area that our Environment Minister is said to have recently purchased property, doesn't harm the environment, but a few OHV trails do. 

What a joke, and you actually support this nonsense?

That's one of the reasons that I'll ignore some of these draconian decisions being made by the government, because the hypocrisy is staggering.

This one instance though, you have to admit, seems a bit strange.   There has to be more to this story and I'm guessing that there are a bunch of locals that have ridden there for years and don't agree with this decision.  This was not I don't think the work of just some casual OHV riders.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 03:57:27 PM »

I wonder if this mess has something going back to what was happening in March.




http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/differing-views-on-ohv-use-in-the-castle-draw-crowds-in-calgary-1.3311402

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2017, 12:44:36 AM »
Some people are really sick!

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 06:55:48 PM »
Really guys? If OHVs are banned for conservation reasons, you would ignore that? How 'responsible' is that? What's wrong with hiking in and hauling your meat out, the same way we did thirty years ago. Are you too tied to technology?


Heck, I'm a senior who has been collecting CPP for 6 years now. I'll still go back 3, 5, 10 and even 15 miles back, and make numerous trips to haul meat out. Truth is, one normally doesn't have to go further than 5 miles from a road if there are no OHVs are around, and one pretty well has the place to themselves. Hunters seem to be pretty lazy if they "need an OHV". Walk, hike or use horses. It worked for millenia, and it still does.

Pics ?

And where exactly did you walk in 25km one way and make the trip multiple times hualing out meat?


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Re: What is wrong with people????
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2017, 07:47:45 PM »
Really guys? If OHVs are banned for conservation reasons, you would ignore that? How 'responsible' is that? What's wrong with hiking in and hauling your meat out, the same way we did thirty years ago. Are you too tied to technology?


Heck, I'm a senior who has been collecting CPP for 6 years now. I'll still go back 3, 5, 10 and even 15 miles back, and make numerous trips to haul meat out. Truth is, one normally doesn't have to go further than 5 miles from a road if there are no OHVs are around, and one pretty well has the place to themselves. Hunters seem to be pretty lazy if they "need an OHV". Walk, hike or use horses. It worked for millenia, and it still does.

Lol,, what ever,, anybody that talks like that doesn't know what 5, 10 or even 15 miles in the bush is lol. And save the explanation, YOU DONT KNOW what 10 miles in the bush is. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2017, 08:07:12 PM »
Lol,, what ever,, anybody that talks like that doesn't know what 5, 10 or even 15 miles in the bush is lol. And save the explanation, YOU DONT KNOW what 10 miles in the bush is.

I just finished hunting blues and Ruffys this long weekend with 3 dogs a couple Griffs and my 3 year old pointer and no dog is older then 5. The other hunter and I are in our mid 30s.

Amazing how far you actually don't go in the bush and moutian top.  Of course I use Technology like gps tracking collars.

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2017, 08:12:42 PM »
How many animals have been left in the woods that ran into a swamp, fell off a cliff, or ran into cover so thick that you needed a  chain saw crew to recover the meat?  An OHV becomes pretty handy in these situations.  Especially when you are in places where nobody goes.

When you drive OHV's up and down trout streams and wonder why there are no fish, it is time for $1000 tickets like they have  in B.C.

Just sayin.




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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2017, 08:24:25 PM »
Saying the quad is the problem is like saying guns kill people. They are just inanimate objects. I can ride a quad around my property all day and cause little damage, that can be done on crown land also.  There are wagon ruts 150 years old, mother earth seems to be still kicking. Ticket and educate the bad, don't restrict our freedom.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2017, 08:29:54 PM »
Exactly boys, punish the abusers not the user. No shame in me for using a quad, darn rights I use it, lots but I also respect the land. I don't hunt in that region so if they did ban them be no skin off mine but we all know it won't stop there it will just go on and on until they have every hunter and every user out of the bush. Then the snivelling libtards will just go after the next thing and the next.
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2017, 08:31:17 PM »
My multi grain brown toast I had this morning wrecked more habitat then my quad or sxs ever has.  No one seams to care about a plow in a field.


And I have to go to Montana to shoot a prairie chicken.  I suppose natural prairie grass land isn't as pretty as a pine tree tho.

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »
It's Atv's now and I can see why due to the rip and tear crowds but don't think for a second it won't be powered boats in our lakes and rivers in the sights of the anti's next.

 I can drive the same moose area year after year on a quad, muskeg and all and come back the next August and it's all green grass again. How does that deserve a ban? It's how you go about it that makes the difference.

Enforcement with big fines etc in the bush and education at the dealers is the way we change the rip and tear crowds attitude.

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2017, 06:56:42 AM »
Still would like an explanation for the 15 mile hike one way there and back with meat.

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 10:36:48 AM »
Still would like an explanation for the 15 mile hike one way there and back with meat.

I did a 14 mile walk when I was a teenager.Measured distance between two towns.

Took me 3 hours and this was on flat ground beside the highway.

And no effing way was I going back. :(

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2017, 05:06:53 PM »
Sonny, I hope she was pretty at least for you to walk that far.   ;)
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2017, 06:40:13 PM »
Or your parents did't take you far enough out, you found your way back.  :D