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JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2013, 07:44:39 PM »
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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2013, 07:47:04 PM »
Tell the truth Jimmy. You dipped that bullet in the stew, before you shot the plate with it, didn't you?

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2013, 07:48:06 PM »
Don't know, and don't care.
Both would more than dump anything I would point the rilfe at, right on its azz.
It isn't about the energy, at all. It is about velocity, and what that bullets manufacturer recommends for best performance.
Energy numbers are gack, and don't mean anything.

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Well first off,, ah no.. You shoot a 1500 lbs bull moose in the ass with 22-250 and you will do little more than make him run faster. I hit him (by mistake) in the ass with my 300 rum he goes down long enough I get a real shot on him.

JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2013, 07:51:09 PM »
Tell the truth Jimmy. You dipped that bullet in the stew, before you shot the plate with it, didn't you?

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That’s how I get an extra 150 fps over book loads that and paper patching my bullets...

Rman

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2013, 07:55:31 PM »
Well first off,, ah no.. You shoot a 1500 lbs bull moose in the ass with 22-250 and you will do little more than make him run faster. I hit him (by mistake) in the ass with my 300 rum he goes down long enough I get a real shot on him.

Ah yes...
Why would I shoot a moose in the ass with a 22-250?
Why would you shoot him in the ass, by mistake, with a 300 Rum?
What does any of this have to do with why enegy numbers are nothing more than gack?
Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2013, 07:56:54 PM »
That’s how I get an extra 150 fps over book loads that and paper patching my bullets...


You must dip the paper patch in the stew as well?
I'm taking notes here.

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2013, 07:59:31 PM »

Why would I shoot a moose in the ass with a 22-250?


Well then why post this?

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Both would more than dump anything I would point the rilfe at, right on its azz.

JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2013, 08:05:20 PM »

You must dip the paper patch in the stew as well?
I'm taking notes here.

R.

  Kind of… The dipping in the stew swells the paper patch for a tighter fit and better seal.  I ran out of Dinty Moore one day and had to use cheap Campbells stew #@$! Paper batch would not unwind at the muzzle a good lesson to never run out of Dinty Moore!

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
Well then why post this?

Well, I said "...anything I would point the rifle at..."

I didn't say anything about a moose???
I didn't say that I would point a 22-250 at a moose, either???

Having said that, if all I had was a 22-250, I wouldn't want to bet on the moose not landing on his ass.

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

walleyes

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2013, 08:12:46 PM »
Ah yes...
Why would I shoot a moose in the ass with a 22-250?
Why would you shoot him in the ass, by mistake, with a 300 Rum?
What does any of this have to do with why enegy numbers are nothing more than gack?

The 300 has more energy at 3000 fps than the 22-250 at 4000 that what this has to do with velocity vs energy. Now yes a bullet gets its energy from velocity but velocity on its own is nothing it has to be applied to something and what it is applied to is where we gain or lose. And if you want to get into it,, in this case the velocity is the energy without the energy there would be no velocity. The velocity is created from the energy created from the explosion.. Huh just blew yer mind eh..

JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2013, 08:13:44 PM »
Swagger!


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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2013, 08:15:14 PM »
  Kind of… The dipping in the stew swells the paper patch for a tighter fit and better seal.  I ran out of Dinty Moore one day and had to use cheap Campbells stew #@$! Paper batch would not unwind at the muzzle a good lesson to never run out of Dinty Moore!

Ok. I think I got it. Dinty Moore only. Plus 150 fps. Don't use Campbell's.

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

walleyes

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2013, 08:15:40 PM »
Well, I said "...anything I would point the rifle at..."

I didn't say anything about a moose???
I didn't say that I would point a 22-250 at a moose, either???

Having said that, if all I had was a 22-250, I wouldn't want to bet on the moose not landing on his ass.

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I would

Rman

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2013, 09:18:36 PM »
Ouch!!!!

You'd loose.  ;D

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2013, 09:22:32 PM »
Ouch!!!!

You'd loose.  ;D

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And you Sir would be a poacher since a .22-250 is not legal for big game in Alberta.. ;D

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2013, 09:50:24 PM »
And you Sir would be a poacher since a .22-250 is not legal for big game in Alberta.. ;D

There are Moose in provinces where you can hunt with .22 centerfire.
I didn't say anything about Alberta, either...

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Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2013, 09:53:03 PM »
P.O Ackley is going to rise from the dead with such blasphemy…  Into the Pit non-believers!

You Fellas should do some reading up on his work with 17cal     

Rman

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2013, 09:59:49 PM »
First off Rman I have seen what a 22-250 does to a moose. I have seen a deer shot with it to were legal. You can kill anything with the right bullet and the right bullet placement. I have read your posts in this thread. You sir make no sence at all.. The numbers you say mean nothing is wrong. Why would they waiste ink for then??  I am like Jimmy and know my guns and how things work. ;)

I make no sense? All I am saying is that energy numbers don't mean anything.
You need to start looking at velocity instead. Bullet manufacturers tell us at what velocity their products perform best at, not energy.
Jimmy, I think, posted the picture of the plate with a hole in it for reason. That plate was shot with some "high energy" rounds. Think of the 22-250 at 4000fps, and the 300 RUM at 3000fps. Any guess as to which one would put a hole in that plate, and which one wouldn't?
Velocity numbers offer a window of optimum performance for the projectile, and speed, being used. Energy numbers do not. They waste the ink, because people like to argue about things that don't matter. Energy was easy to calculate, easier to calculate than velocity, especially back in the day. It's just a useless comparison that makes for crappy campfire conversation.
I am sorry you are like Jimmy.  ;D
If you truly know how things work, you will understand what I am saying.

R.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2013, 10:12:45 PM by Rman »
Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.

JIMMY 808

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2013, 10:25:41 PM »

I am sorry you are like Jimmy.  ;D


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I would call you a C@#! But you don’t have the depth or the warmth.   :'(

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Re: Energy and what it does to game
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2013, 10:30:12 PM »
Ouch!

I am shallow, and cold.
I am afraid your description is accurate.

R.
Dinty Moore is to shooters, like spinach is to Popeye.
Hell of a thing, killing a deer. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever going to have.