Author Topic: Alberta Caribou? (Read 9303 times)

Tuc · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:48:28 PM »

Huntress, another thing you may not be aware of, we are not allowed to hunt with a treaty indian who is subsistence hunting.

sheepguide · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:36:42 PM »

Always smooth Justin. LoL

Sonny · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2013, 07:28:34 PM »

Used to see Caribou on highway 40 north of the Berland river years ago.

Now...not so much anymore..

sheepguide · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2013, 07:46:55 PM »

Quote from: JustinC on March 14, 2013, 06:56:40 PM

Ya Darcy you know my opinion on this. She asked for all opinions.. So I gave mine. Were is yours?

Not the thread to discus my opinion on that. I derail enough!! I'll step back and let you take this one.

Alberta_huntress_83 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2013, 07:56:19 PM »

K now I'm REALLY confused....ugh

Sustinence? He doesn't have a PAL. He wants a mentor/guide. I've offered to let him use my rifle, show him how to hunt, field dress, process etc....I would still insist he buys tags for an Elk if he got permission from someone....

Starting to rethink this whole thing....its sounding like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't....might not be worth it to help him at all.

This is very confusing. What is wrong with mentoring someone who is status? I just don't know enough to feel comfortable taking on this kinda risk or responsibility.

ALL opinions matter to me here. I want to weigh out the options. He's not metis he's full status. But I don't think I want to get involved now if its going to put me at risk in any way....usually when I help someone it backfires on me anyways

Guido · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Alberta_huntress_83 on March 14, 2013, 07:56:19 PM

K now I'm REALLY confused....ugh

Sustinence? He doesn't have a PAL. He wants a mentor/guide. I've offered to let him use my rifle, show him how to hunt, field dress, process etc....I would still insist he buys tags for an Elk if he got permission from someone....

Starting to rethink this whole thing....its sounding like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't....might not be worth it to help him at all.

This is very confusing. What is wrong with mentoring someone who is status? I just don't know enough to feel comfortable taking on this kinda risk or responsibility.

ALL opinions matter to me here. I want to weigh out the options. He's not metis he's full status. But I don't think I want to get involved now if its going to put me at risk in any way....usually when I help someone it backfires on me anyways

Nothing wrong with what your trying to do. Too many people jump to conclusions as soon as you mention metis/ natives.
In order for your freind to purchase a hunting licence he first has to take a hunter training course. He can use your gun as long as your within "touching" distance. It's ok to ask for opinions, but I wouldn't make a decision on another person's opinion.
If you want to help someone out and everything is legal, shouldn't be any problems at all. Doesn't matter if he is blue, green or silver.

Guido · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:07:51 PM »

Sonny · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:14:34 PM »

Just keep it legal and ethical and all will be good huntress..

Alberta_huntress_83 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:16:29 PM »

K well I NEED to be 100% sure what he's asking me is legal. That what I teach is legal. All of it. If I can't be with a native person who is harvesting because I'm non-status then I can't do it. I won't risk losing my licenses or right to hunt.

Nothing would make me more sad in this world than losing that privelige.

Well he will have to take hunter ed regardless if he wants to hunt with me I don't care if he's native or not we all need to be on the same page.

Stressful!

walleyes · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2013, 08:23:22 PM »

I think the best thing you could do huntress is phone a fish and game head office someplace,, not some local branch but a head office, ask the proper person, take names and numbers.

The last thing you want is legal advice from the Internet.

PS guido said it right,, black, yellow or red there is nothing wrong with helping someone out as long as its legal.

Alberta_huntress_83 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:30:20 PM »

Ok great advice. I just want to help them out because his wife works for me, they really are total health nuts and want to eat as 'clean' as possible. They don't really even eat a lot of meat, which is part of why they want to be a part of their food from start to finish and I can TOTALLY appreciate that! Because that was my whole motivation to get into hunting.

I am even hoping to go so far as get some nice fat from a wild animal (goose maybe?) To render for my soap. We make Young Chicks Soap Co. All natural handmade soaps, and it would be sooooo awesome to get some wild fat instead of buying it.

Anyways, I want to help his family. I will do my due diligence. I was born to help others, as others have always so graciously helped me

put out what you want to get back, right?

Guido · « **Reply #31 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:37:55 PM »

Quote from: Alberta_huntress_83 on March 14, 2013, 07:56:19 PM

K now I'm REALLY confused....ugh

Sustinence? He doesn't have a PAL. He wants a mentor/guide. I've offered to let him use my rifle, show him how to hunt, field dress, process etc....I would still insist he buys tags for an Elk if he got permission from someone....

Starting to rethink this whole thing....its sounding like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't....might not be worth it to help him at all.

Some may have missed this part.

Alberta_huntress_83 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:47:23 PM »

Quote from: JustinC on March 14, 2013, 09:33:00 PM

You as a white person can not in ANY way help in ANY part of a status harvest unless he has a tag. That is law.... Walking buffalo has stated this on AO and here I think.He Knows all those laws. But like Walleyes stated better to call and cover you butt.

Perfect. Thank you. I would consider it poaching otherwise.

FYI our soap is for gifts and family. We don't sell it.

Speckle55 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:52:46 PM »

Here is some info for the lawyers on here .. he can,t share with a non status person.. Cariboo is a protected spieces in Alberta ..

one of the 7 vices rears its head (envy)

David

http://srd.alberta.ca/FishWildlife/FishingHuntingTrapping/documents/HuntingByTreatyIndians-Jul2009.pdf

Tuc · « **Reply #34 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:09:56 PM »

If he is buying a license to hunt, fine, if it's under subsistence and his treaty rights you are not allowed in the bush with him.

Speckle55 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:00:30 PM »

Tuc .. please give SRD Fish and Wildlife CO a call as i don,t know where you get your info.. he/she can not share with you is all (treaty) .. please be informed before .. as i can hunt with a treaty peson if i have my hunting tags and he/she can harvest if they want i can help them with their animal (cleaning & skinning)but i can not be given or share in that animal .. i just asked a couple (3) officers at the Sportsman Show in Edmonton today but i already new the answer .. wow please get yourself informed.. thanks

David

Quote from: Tuc on March 14, 2013, 04:48:28 PM

Huntress, another thing you may not be aware of, we are not allowed to hunt with a treaty indian who is subsistence hunting.

walking buffalo · « **Reply #36 on:** March 16, 2013, 12:49:25 AM »

Quote from: Tuc on March 14, 2013, 04:48:28 PM

Huntress, another thing you may not be aware of, we are not allowed to hunt with a treaty indian who is subsistence hunting.

Wrong.

Quote from: JustinC on March 14, 2013, 06:04:36 PM

Huntress I would stay away from that crap. Tuc is rite about you cant be involved in a indian harvest. If a metis kills something it is poaching unless they are within there alotted areas. either way I am against all special treatment that indians get... So stay clear IMO.

You and Tuc are not "rite"....

Quote from: JustinC on March 14, 2013, 09:33:00 PM

You as a white person can not in ANY way help in ANY part of a status harvest unless he has a tag. That is law.... Walking buffalo has stated this on AO and here I think.He Knows all those laws. But like Walleyes stated better to call and cover you butt.

102, If you are going to reference me, please do so correctly.

It is perfectly legal for a non-treaty person to hunt with and/or assist a Treaty person who is hunting. Obviously, the non- treaty person needs applicable licences to "hunt" certain animals at the same time.

Speckle's info is correct. Animals harvested under Treaty rights in Alberta can NOT be shared with non-treaty people off of Reserve Land, but it is legal for a non-treaty person to have a Treaty harvested Caribou dinner on the reserve, as long as they expell dinner before leaving the res.

Alberta_huntress_83 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 16, 2013, 05:38:28 AM »

Hahahaha! Walking Buffalo I appreciate you stepping up here to give me your insight, thank YOU. And a little humour goes a long way, I might bite whoever is brave enough to try and sticks their finger in my mouth to purge it back up LMAO!

My whole reason is to share knowledge and experience, pass on the tradition, respect Mother Earth for her gift of sustinence and teach him how to provide for himself and his family.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.

So maybe I don't need to insist on him taking hunter ed and buying tags so long as I HAVE all my tags and licenses he can likely hunt as is without a wildlife certificate?

Now, can he use MY rifle to harvest his animal? Or is that going to be a big no no?

As he does not have a PAL or any firearms.

Respectfullly,

Elizabeth

Joe Fehr · « **Reply #38 on:** March 16, 2013, 08:08:55 AM »

He can use your rifle, you or someone needs to accompany him with a license (PAL) tho.
If he is Treaty he needs nothing if he is Metis I am not sure of the regs on that anymore.
Anyone can accompany a First Nations hunter to assist after the kill, can't be involved in the kill tho.

I would highly recommend he take a hunter ed course even if he doesn't need to.

If there were regs stating that a Non-treaty person couldn't associate with a FN hunter while hunting don't you think that would be extremely racist?

You should have him go in and sit down with a conservation officer and ensure that he is not breaking any laws and knows the rules of what he can and can not do.
Especially if all the info your getting is from a bunch of yahoos on the internet.........

Tuc · « **Reply #39 on:** March 16, 2013, 08:28:48 AM »

Huntress, I apologize for giving you wrong info and WB thanx for clearing that up.

Now I'm curious, I will check the Sask regs as I'm almost sure I read that somewhere.

Author Topic: Alberta Caribou? (Read 9303 times)

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