Glad to see my buck coming along nicely!

here is another one that he just sent me.  Waleyes, he just did a badger a couple weeks ago and it looked great.  He does a pile of small things like fishers, mink, marten , wolverines and badgers.

213 on a 3 point frame?  id like to see that scoresheet.

Don't you mean a 4 point?   Totally awesome deer by the way.

Nice pics Nube!

It was just a little joke bambi, I was just feeling a little cheeky today.   That whole "3 point vs. 4 point vs. 5 point" argument has been tossed around these message boards forever.  Whatever you call it, it's still an unreal deer.  I wouldn't call it an 8 point either BTW.

im sure it all adds up......  its pretty hard to hold a tape wrong.  i guess its just the frame that doesnt have enough wow appeal.  like i said, id shoot in a heartbeat.

also nube, some guys are pretty optimistic in their scores posted on the interweb.  i have never doubted a score you have posted.

i wouldnt say it has no wow factor.....the dimensions look pretty big.  its definately wide and tall and the kind of deer you dont have to look long at to shoot.  its just disappointing to see so few typical points is all. 

and i know its not yours.  you told us your biggest grosses 181 if i remember right.  also a deer that requires no wondering if you should shoot or not.  when they are big you know it.

no, i meant 3 point.  i wouldnt call it an 8 point either.  i dont see the need to exaggerate.....he is what he is. 

anyway, im seeing a 175 frame with 24ish inches on the drops.  id guess a whisker shy of 200 gross, but ill believe you.  pics dont always show everything.  honestly, id shoot it, but id be a little disappointed in point count when i walked up to it.

Im confused why you wouldnt call it a 4 point?  Do brow tines not count?  i know i dont count brows for mulies but always have for whiteys

Im confused why you wouldnt call it a 4 point?  Do brow tines not count?  i know i dont count brows for mulies but always have for whiteys

your statement makes me ask why you would count em on a whitetail then?  if you dont on a mule then why on a whitetail? 

there really is no right or wrong answer kyle.  if you and the crew you hunt with count em, no sweat.....as long as you all know what you are talking about.  the people i have always hunted with dont, so we all know what we are talking about.  this is just opinion, but i have always thought if you do its because you are trying to make the deer sound bigger, and americans take it even further and count both sides.  whatever works for you.....there is no standard.  as far as i know, the only time point counting ever mattered was back when mule deer were on a point count restriction.....and they didnt include brow tines.

No idea where it was shot AXE.  I do not think it was up north at all though. 

"and honestly....how many guys can legit say that they are disappointed walking up to a 167 gross buck?  not very dang many...."

I did that last year and i honestly was disapointed.  It was not suposed to be me killing it and it would have meant more to my hunting partner that day than me for sure.  I am still debating even hanging it on my wall.  Now that I can do my own deer I think I may do it but If I had to pay someone to do it there is no way I would get it done. 

I talk about my mule deer by saying it was a 4x4 with brow tines or a 4x4 without brow tines.  Mules deer sometimes don't have the brow points and this way it gives the person you are talking to the info needed to understand what kind of a deer it is. 

Whitetail are always 5x5 or 4x4.  They all have brow tines on any normal deer.  The main beam is a point.  My way of doing it