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Lozzie

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Elk Newbies.
« on: July 23, 2017, 05:28:07 PM »
First off I would just like to hello as I am new to this site.  I've have been hunting for 6 years and it has brought a lot of fulfillment to my life. I didn't grow up with a dad or uncles or grandpa to take me out hunting and show me the ropes however it has not stopped me from enjoying tremendous success in a short period of time.  I've been fortunate enough to put a wide variety of game in the freezer from Moose and Deer to Cougar and a wide variety of ducks and geese.  But ever since I had a giant bull elk walk out in front of my truck at 30 yards with his harem of cows in tow I have dreamt of hunting Elk. This past year I re-connected with an old friend I hadn't spoken to in years and he invited me to go snow goose hunting and it was like no time had passed. We had a great time and decided to plan a big game hunt for the fall.  He lives in the Sundre area so we will be using that as a jumping off point, neither of us have much experience hunting elk but are hard working blue collar guys. Our trip is planned for mid-late Sept. and we are not looking for someone's spot and not looking for someone to tie an elk to a tree for us but any advice that might increase our odds would be appreciated. I'm really interested in strategies guys have had success with like camping at high elevation to get that early vantage point or choosing paths that overlook draws that elk might frequent. Any advice would be appreciated. Good luck out there.

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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2017, 08:16:04 PM »
         Welcome to the site Lozzie.   Are you rifle hunting or archery hunting?  What zone?
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2017, 09:46:56 PM »
Welcome to the board Lozzie, good to have you on board. I'm not an experienced Elk hunter by any means only spent 3 seasons chasing them but I do know this, hunting is hunting and the same rules apply as hunting any big game animal. Now I hope some will add some of the finer points to chasing big bulls for myself that's about all I can add.
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 08:03:40 AM »
My advise is cover ground, you need to find out where they are. I have spent years in my same elk "spot" and it still takes a few days to find them . Boots to the ground or hooves. Learn to call and when to use it. That's a lot of fun, sounds like elk dying  when your first learning,( I suggest first thing in the morning in your bed room, gets the wife up to make breakfast pretty fast). Most important have fun learning, don't give up they are not ghost like some might make you believe. There just a dam Elk.

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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 06:02:15 PM »

Hi Lozzie:

I am just about as much of an elk expert like you are. 

What I have found is that LeverAction is correct.  Spotting a few nights  on several high spots with a bright moon has shown me that the "ghosts" do come out. :)  Sleep during the day when the "ghosts" ruminate like the rest of their relatives.

Wish you the best. :)








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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 08:01:32 PM »
Will be using the rifle this time, I picked up a Browning Hells Canyon Speed x-bolt in 6.5 Creedmoor that I've been doing some load development for and I'm pretty itchy to put something down with it.  The majority of my hunting is with the bow though. Not sure what M.U.yet not opposed to suggestions but my buddy is the one who lives around there and he's thinking of hitting some crown land.

         Welcome to the site Lozzie.   Are you rifle hunting or archery hunting?  What zone?
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 08:05:03 PM »
Lol, don't think my wife would have the same response as yours if I started bugling to get her out of bed in the morning. In fact I'm quite certain that I would sound like a dying elk after she kicks me in the nuts.

My advise is cover ground, you need to find out where they are. I have spent years in my same elk "spot" and it still takes a few days to find them . Boots to the ground or hooves. Learn to call and when to use it. That's a lot of fun, sounds like elk dying  when your first learning,( I suggest first thing in the morning in your bed room, gets the wife up to make breakfast pretty fast). Most important have fun learning, don't give up they are not ghost like some might make you believe. There just a dam Elk.
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 09:25:44 PM »
Yea, the gal's can fuss up a bit over the noise. Not as bad as shooting crows out the bedroom window at day break with the 12 Ga. That seems to really stir the emotions some. But it's a dam good blind to get those sneaky bastards.

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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2017, 09:57:42 PM »
          Don't spend much time in crown land for elk these days, so really can't add to much to what Lever said but will mention a couple things anyways.

          If your looking for elk in a completely new area especially in the crown general zones (I'm assuming you haven't drawn a long awaited tag)  the best time to scout is spring.  The elk are out looking for that prime graze and are pretty relaxed.  Scouting is never a waste of time but the easiest time to see a herd out in the open is spring. It gives you an idea of what general area they are and often they won't be far away come the opener.  After the pressure is on it's a little different ball game and they can move a long ways but most importantly stick to the basics and look for sign.  They may still be around but not leaving their beds until so late that you'd have to cut them off in the timber.  I you find a big aggressive bugling bull good on you but hunting the general rifle zones I'd imagine your going to run into some quieter elk where it's best to focus on the cow calls.  Main reason I left for the farm land archery season where the bulls still seem to bugle (which I can't get enough of).  I did call in some elk when they were quiet but they come in stealthy and weary you have to have patience, be pretty conservative with the calling.  Getting in on a herd bull and ripping out the bugle might make him take his cows and go but every elk is different.  A herd bull nowadays migh be an immature 5 point.

        I like to hunt the farmland in archery season but it's a completely different ball of wax.  You can't chase elk where you don't have permission so often your best friends are trail cameras, a full gas tank and a willingness to get told no.  Lots of elk to see though and eventually they end up where you need them to but you can have sections worth of permission and nowhere to hunt when you get time to actually hunt so it's not for everyone.

       One thing that might be a given and a dummy like me had to learn the hard way is always have enough food, water, whatever to last the whole day or more when you leave camp in the morning even if you don't think you're going far.  Never plan to make it back for lunch/supper.  That really could go for anything you're hunting but with elk it really pays to be able to stay as close and downwind to the herd for as long as possible. 



       
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 05:51:37 PM »
Cheers, lots of good advice there. We do have a few good picks of 5 and 6 point bulls on his neighbours land where we have permission. Looks like we are going to switch gears and make it an archery elk hunt in Sept. I've been shooting my APA King Cobra TF almost every night, trying to get all that muscle memory back as I haven't shot since the last 3D.

          Don't spend much time in crown land for elk these days, so really can't add to much to what Lever said but will mention a couple things anyways.

          If your looking for elk in a completely new area especially in the crown general zones (I'm assuming you haven't drawn a long awaited tag)  the best time to scout is spring.  The elk are out looking for that prime graze and are pretty relaxed.  Scouting is never a waste of time but the easiest time to see a herd out in the open is spring. It gives you an idea of what general area they are and often they won't be far away come the opener.  After the pressure is on it's a little different ball game and they can move a long ways but most importantly stick to the basics and look for sign.  They may still be around but not leaving their beds until so late that you'd have to cut them off in the timber.  I you find a big aggressive bugling bull good on you but hunting the general rifle zones I'd imagine your going to run into some quieter elk where it's best to focus on the cow calls.  Main reason I left for the farm land archery season where the bulls still seem to bugle (which I can't get enough of).  I did call in some elk when they were quiet but they come in stealthy and weary you have to have patience, be pretty conservative with the calling.  Getting in on a herd bull and ripping out the bugle might make him take his cows and go but every elk is different.  A herd bull nowadays migh be an immature 5 point.

        I like to hunt the farmland in archery season but it's a completely different ball of wax.  You can't chase elk where you don't have permission so often your best friends are trail cameras, a full gas tank and a willingness to get told no.  Lots of elk to see though and eventually they end up where you need them to but you can have sections worth of permission and nowhere to hunt when you get time to actually hunt so it's not for everyone.

       One thing that might be a given and a dummy like me had to learn the hard way is always have enough food, water, whatever to last the whole day or more when you leave camp in the morning even if you don't think you're going far.  Never plan to make it back for lunch/supper.  That really could go for anything you're hunting but with elk it really pays to be able to stay as close and downwind to the herd for as long as possible. 



       
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Re: Elk Newbies.
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 09:04:29 PM »
         Sounds like you've got some good things coming your way hopefully you can connect with one.  Good luck this season, there are some good bulls around but they are hard to get as they know where to go once pressured but if you have some good access the odds go up a lot.  I'm no expert by any means but have managed a few smaller bulls and have had chances at a couple good ones.  So far fate has managed to put something in the way of those shot oppurtunities at the better ones but it just get's me hungrier for next season :D.  I know for sure you will enjoy the snot out of chasing them.  I don't know exactly where around Sundre you're hunting but another advantage of chasing them during archery is that you can take an antlerless if you choose to do so in some zones.  If you bump a herd out of land you can hunt and they head to a safe place there always seems to be a couple day window where a few cow/calve stragglers lag behind and can present another oppurtunity to fill the freezer.
           
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