Author Topic: Canada: Prime Minister Harper Launches First Nations “Termination Plan”  (Read 1449 times)


walleyes

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Like I said on the other post, I see nothing more than Liberal and FN propaganda BS. I would say most of it is taken out of context and blown way out of proportion to stir the pot..

Come on Tuc you know no one thinks they can change things as severe as this.. We wish,, but it would never happen..

Probably paid for by the little weasel Trudeau himself.. Wouldn't this all be to convenient for him..

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Maybe Walleyes but I think the governments is getting fed up with tactics like Spence demonstrates, she could have opened a brand new can of worms. Time will tell.

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"Russell Diabo is the Publisher and Editor of First Nations Strategic Bulletin where this article first appeared."

Rhetoric and propaganda by the FN.

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I could not read the whole thing but some interesting ideas that could and may come about.

If the FN are waving this around hoping it will discredit the PC they may find it could back fire and people will get behind some of it.



NEVER say that good stuff will NEVER happen.

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I'd be worried that if some of those mentioned bills go through we will have a civil war on our hands from some very angry FN folks....that's a lot of money to stop flowing.

I think there's likely some truth to this, but a lot of propaganda as walleyes and paul said.

One could hope and pray for a country where we are all treated the same, a country where we live in the PRESENT and stop living in the past, a country where accountability is accepted and we move forward together united as Canadians. All countries have had to harm one people or another in order to claim turf throughout the ages...if we live in the past forever we will never achieve balance and equality among the general populous.

Reserves just don't work in so many places in Canada. I've been to many of them, and the living conditions are atrocious. But sadly, when you just throw more money at the problem and not change the foundation by which money is being spent or managed, its just creating an environment for abuse. Why care for money you don't have to work for right? Why wouldn't you cut a hole in your bathroom wall so your horses can drink from the bathtub if you don't have to pay to fix it?

I know from the Caribou thread you guys think I'm a FN symathizer. And I am for certain things. Like the abolishment of their traditions and the way we stripped them of their culture. The way we tore their families apart and forced them not to practice their own beliefs and abide by Christian law. The abuse. THAT is stuff that was awful, and can't be changed. It wasn't my forefathers who did that...its out of our control. So to those families who were affected by those times, I do feel they are owed a certain number of retribution or subsidy TO A POINT. But when we're talking 100's of years +, I have a harder and harder time getting on board with it....

We do need some change in this country. I won't disagree with that....

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I didn't waste my time reading all of it, either.

I got as far as the, "imposed legislation";  things like, financial accountability, dower rights, fair and democratic elections.........the horror!  How dare the government expect democracy, accountability and individual rights for all citizens.

The only thing in danger is the current greed, skullduggery, and attitude of never ending yet undeserved entitlements.  But then again when I first heard of the, "idle no more" movement I really thought it meant those at attiwopascat (sp) were going to pick up a hammer and fix their own houses.

Sorry guys, my sympathy ran out a long time ago.

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My "who gives a rat's patoot" button is stuck!! The extent of my sympathy can be found in Webster's between $h!t & syphilis.  It is time that all citizens of this country were equals, regardless of race, colour or creed.

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I'm happy to see everyone is discussing this very sensitive topic with respect, courtesy, and seeking the same outcome. Equality for all. I like it!!! Its clear Canadians are thirsty for change :) 

I'd almost have to like Harper....(I can't believe I just used the words 'like' and 'Harper' in the same sentence) if some of these changes are actually pushed through under his term. We're stuck with the SOB til 2015....he's already pooched the Wildlife Act, Navigable Waters Act, Fisheries Act, Environment Act, Endangered Species Act, and numerous other essential acts to protect our fish, wildlife, water and environment, all in the name of Oil and Gas, and I feel we'll never recover from his choices. He's given free reign to corporations and O&G :(

Let call it a love hate relationship lol.
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I'm happy to see everyone is discussing this very sensitive topic with respect, courtesy, and seeking the same outcome. Equality for all. I like it!!! Its clear Canadians are thirsty for change :) 

I'd almost have to like Harper....(I can't believe I just used the words 'like' and 'Harper' in the same sentence) if some of these changes are actually pushed through under his term. We're stuck with the SOB til 2015....he's already pooched the Wildlife Act, Navigable Waters Act, Fisheries Act, Environment Act, Endangered Species Act, and numerous other essential acts to protect our fish, wildlife, water and environment, all in the name of Oil and Gas, and I feel we'll never recover from his choices. He's given free reign to corporations and O&G :(

Let call it a love hate relationship lol.

Harper is a fine leader,, the best we have had in generations.

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Harper is a fine leader,, the best we have had in generations.

x2!  He has surpassed my expectations, that's for sure.   I pegged him as a bit of a dullard in the beginning.  He still moves too slow for me, but he does manage to slowly bring the country out of a Progressive swamp without spooking the horses.

This "Victim Industry" we have seen for years and involving FN, those who exploit them, the many FN whose lives consist of feeling sorry for themselves and the self-loathing liberals who feed into it for their own ambitions - all of it - has to STOP.

As for what happened 50 or 100 years ago...I don't really care.  People did what they thought was best.  They made mistakes.  A few of them were bad people.  Yeah, well, all of that is pretty normal.   There's no more point rehashing that in hindsight than there is in rehashing the Iroquois genocide of Hurons nor the various battles and butchery between Cree and Blackfoot.   Those are the pastimes of losers.

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x2!  He has surpassed my expectations, that's for sure.   I pegged him as a bit of a dullard in the beginning.  He still moves too slow for me, but he does manage to slowly bring the country out of a Progressive swamp without spooking the horses.

This "Victim Industry" we have seen for years and involving FN, those who exploit them, the many FN whose lives consist of feeling sorry for themselves and the self-loathing liberals who feed into it for their own ambitions - all of it - has to STOP.

As for what happened 50 or 100 years ago...I don't really care.  People did what they thought was best.  They made mistakes.  A few of them were bad people.  Yeah, well, all of that is pretty normal.   There's no more point rehashing that in hindsight than there is in rehashing the Iroquois genocide of Hurons nor the various battles and butchery between Cree and Blackfoot.   Those are the pastimes of losers.
x3. He hasn't been perfect, no, but he has done well.

I also agree with Huntress, unfortunately, that FN wouldn't take losing free money in a positive way, if it would ever come to that.

All in all I agree with Walleye's post in the other thread:

Liberal propaganda BS but one can dream,, one can dream. An equal society and an Indian peoples that supports itself and gets off my pay check,, one can dream,, one can dream.. Eqaul hunting rights for all Canadians,, one can dream one can dream.. Hundreds of millions of dollars going into legitamite projects for all Canadians,, one can dream, one can dream..
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Well, I know one thing, if Harpers got the jewels to go after this and succeeds, he's got my vote for as long as he stays in politics. (he's probably got it anyhow) There hasn't been a politician yet brave enough to even talk about modifying the indian act and treaties.

Some good stuff said here and I agree it's time for change and equality for all Canadians.

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My family and I have never done anything to the first nations people in this country......Except give them our tax dollars its about time somebody put an end to this bullshit, nobody gives me anything for free. As far as a civil war goes not a chance, you may have a few idiots that will try to fight but they will be quickly stomped out. No more special treatment for anybody in this country, or give me special treatment for being a First gen Canadian of Scottish decent.
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My family and I have never done anything to the first nations people in this country......Except give them our tax dollars its about time somebody put an end to this bullshit, nobody gives me anything for free. As far as a civil war goes not a chance, you may have a few idiots that will try to fight but they will be quickly stomped out. No more special treatment for anybody in this country, or give me special treatment for being a First gen Canadian of Scottish decent.

Gallowglass ?

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Exactly
Sorry I don't ice fish or hunt rabbits, but I did stay at a Holliday in express last night.