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Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:11:49 AM »
If you want job security join the RCMP. I found this hitting home, my neighbor, who is a very senior member in Red Deer, bitches to me about not being able to get rid of the "garbage" on the Red Deer RCMP, he said the bureaucracy is ridiculous. The guy that killed Robert Dziekanski and then killed someone while drunk, guess what?

HE STILL HAS A JOB WITH THE RCMP

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/top-officer-calls-changes-rcmp-act-fire-bad-080009222.html



VANCOUVER - The man in charge of the RCMP in British Columbia says the laborious process of firing or even suspending Mounties without pay after serious misconduct is "absolute madness," but making changes requires a commitment from the force's political masters.

RCMP Deputy Commissioner Craig Callens said the RCMP Act is long overdue for change to allow local management to hire and fire like other employers in the country.

For example, Callens said an application was made years ago to suspend Cpl. Benjamin "Monty" Robinson without pay, but the request was rejected at RCMP headquarters in Ottawa.

Robinson was convicted last month of obstruction of justice in the death of a young motorcyclist in Delta, B.C. He admitted to taking two shots of vodka to "calm his nerves" after the accident and before he gave himself up to investigating officers, but the court heard testimony that Robinson would have known those actions can be used to cover up drunk driving.

A year before the traffic accident, Robinson was the senior officer in charge when Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski was jolted several times with an RCMP Taser and died at Vancouver's airport.

Robinson and three fellow officers still face perjury charges, accused of lying under oath in that case.

Commissioner Thomas Braidwood concluded in his final report into Dziekanski's death that the officers deliberately misrepresented their actions during the investigations and during their testimony to his inquiry.

"I want him (Robinson) dismissed from the RCMP," Callens told a forum at the Radio Television Digital News Association annual provincial gathering on the weekend.

"Now he's convicted of obstruction of justice and so I say to myself, a reasonable-minded Canadian, a British Columbian, is outraged by that. I'm outraged by that."

The RCMP Act gives Callens the power to suspend an officer if he considers the officer's actions serious misconduct. He must get approval from headquarters in Ottawa if he wants an officer suspended without pay.

But Callens said the process becomes adversarial, similar to the criminal justice system.

"That's the problem with the RCMP Act. What I want to do is have the ability, for me personally, as the deputy commissioner, or for the commissioner ... to say 'No, you need to be fired from the RCMP.'"

The current process sometimes seems to overtake the necessity of decisive action, and that's why he supports its modernization, he told The Canadian Press in a later interview.

"I think what frustrates the community are cases where an RCMP officer is convicted of a serious criminal offence and yet an internal adjudication board must be held, and the delays that are associated to that occur, to determine whether a member should be dismissed from the RCMP," he said. "And it's quite obvious, or it is the view of the community that it's obvious, the individual should be dismissed from the RCMP."

Neither Robinson nor his lawyer were available for comment.

In the four months that Callens has been in charge of the B.C. division, he said he has taken the step to request suspension without pay four times.

But under the act, the RCMP isn't the employer and federal government statutes and regulations govern the way the RCMP operates, leaving a long and cumbersome appeal process for the RCMP and those fighting to keep their jobs, Callens said.

"We've seen people who've been dismissed and who have committed murder while still RCMP officers because they're in the process of appeal," he said at the forum, referring to a case other than Robinson's.

"It's madness. It's absolute madness."

Callens told the group he wants to see greater transparency and accountability on issues affecting the RCMP. He acknowledged the force hadn't done well in those areas in the past.

"Most importantly, I've come to understand the importance of public trust and confidence so that we are able to fulfil our duty and successfully meet our mandate to keep the communities we serve safe."

The Mounties' image in B.C. has been tarnished over several years by a profusion of bad public relations involving Robinson's actions, the RCMP-involved shooting death of Ian Bush and allegations by Cpl. Catherine Galliford of sexual harassment and abuse from senior officers.

Callens said he could see a distinct advantage to being able to hire and fire like other companies.

Fixing the RCMP Act hasn't been a priority for politicians for some time, but Callens said RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson is committed to moving the issue to the top of the agenda.

"As election cycles come and go, there's all kinds of different priorities and there's all kinds of different pressures on the agenda and fixing the RCMP Act has not been at the top of the agenda," Callens said.

"Our current commissioner is committed to having it at the top of the agenda."

The RCMP has assigned lawyer Kevin Brosseau to review the act and recommend changes to the federal government.

After a request for an interview, the Ministry of Public Safety issued a statement saying the Conservative government is committed to giving the RCMP the tools it needs to keep Canadians safe and ensure appropriate oversight is in place.

"We agree that some change is necessary to deal with what Commissioner Paulson called 'dark-hearted behaviour' displayed by a small minority of RCMP members."

However, the statement said the government hadn't made any final decisions on changes to the act.
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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 09:26:18 AM »
they truley are gods in their own minds and think they can act in any way they want ...above the law... without repercussions it seems!  why does this shit stain still have a job ?

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 09:37:29 AM »
why does this shit stain still have a job ?

Good question. And don't kid yourself there or others that should have been skidded years ago. And shit stain couldn't be more appropriate, never mind not having a job, he should be behind bars.

And they wonder why buddy shot those cops a few years ago.  Makes you wonder what they had done to him earlier than his actions.

Justin, if you are referring to James Roscoe he was a shit stain too, I don't think anything the cops did or didn't do to him would have mattered. Actually, the people most responsible for the death of those cops are their supervisors.

They knew he was dangerous. The walked into his place unprepared. There was no reason they should have gone in there without putting him in custody first. My 2 cents.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 09:39:55 AM by Paul »

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 12:39:39 PM »
Good question. And don't kid yourself there or others that should have been skidded years ago. And shit stain couldn't be more appropriate, never mind not having a job, he should be behind bars.

Justin, if you are referring to James Roscoe he was a shit stain too, I don't think anything the cops did or didn't do to him would have mattered. Actually, the people most responsible for the death of those cops are their supervisors.

They knew he was dangerous. The walked into his place unprepared. There was no reason they should have gone in there without putting him in custody first. My 2 cents.

Damn rights, Paul.  It was an absolute shame that the Mayerthorpe Inquiry failed to point any fingers of blame on the supervisors.

An exerpt from the report:

"The RCMP has reviewed Judge Pahl’s report.  It describes the operation as “a highly professional response, by all parties, to a developing and ultimately horrific event,” adding “the considerations and actions of the local detachments, the Emergency Response Team and others involved, were entirely appropriate.”  The report also concludes that “there were no failings in the training, experience or abilities of the officers who lost their lives,” and that “this was a uniquely tragic event which could not reasonably have been foreseen or prevented.”

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/news-nouvelles/speeches-stat-discours-decl/2011/20110328-mayerthorpe-eng.htm

Sad part is that if the report found no room for improvement on behalf of the RCMPs policy this tragic event could easily happen again.  It almost did just south of Killam.

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 10:24:37 AM »
  My personal conspiracy theories on the RCMP
 
1 Gerald bull.   This guy was a ballistic engineer and also a Canadian his plan was to launch satellites in space using cannon long story short no funding in Canada or United States so off to Iraq he goes for funding for his project one problem was he was able to launch artily shells thousands of miles putting Israel in danger.  He was eventually assented in Germany some say the Israelis did this others CIA I believe he was killed by the RCMP hence why it was done in Germany many RCMP agents there and he was are created problem. 

2  Quebec biker wars.  Blow up a few school kids and mail bombings car bombings and it’s a 22 cal in the back of the head curtsy of RCMP problem was dealt with fairly fast there is 15 or so missing bikers that will never be found no one is looking no one cares.

3 Kelowna face kicker.  Not sure of any names here but basically Kelowna has a hi drug problem with bikers and bad guys.  A gentleman goes out to a golf course where he worked to scare away geese with blanks from a 12ga shotgun a complaint was issued that there was a man with a gun on the golf course.  RCMP pull this guy over and basically assaulted a complying man kick him in the face.  This was all caught on video type I saw they video of it that was no traffic writing RCMP that was a hi up drug worker. 
 
  The arrogance of what they are able to do in this country works from the top down and ends up with the guys that have to write traffic tickets.  I do believe they are a military force there is no checks and balances they investigate their own.
 
  Being a young man I have had many run in with them some my fault some there fault were about even them and I…  The main problem I have with them is the accountability AND THEY DON’T HAVE ANY   

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 03:31:29 PM »
If you are talking about Geoff Mantler, the face kicker, he was also further charged with a previous assault from 2010. Amazingly he is suspended without pay, an anomaly for the RCMP, usually they get paid vacation when they are in shit.

Even though he is suspended, technically he still has a job there, which is bullshit. He should be fired, it shouldn't have to go to court, anyone who thinks it was justified is blind or stupid. Yeah yeah it's always "well there's more to it".

It's not that all RCMP are bad people, it's that they don't properly deal with the garbage when they need to. It took 2 months to charge Geoff Mantler, if you were to kick an RCMP member in the face like that, after you got the beat down of your life, you would be charged in about 10 seconds.
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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 05:27:22 PM »
yeah it made me sick when i watched that video and i always wondered what became of that cop... i was sure he was still working, maybe even with a promotion or something

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 08:30:23 PM »
He's awaiting trial while suspended, he's also getting sued by the victim, along with the mindless female member who helped handcuff him after he got kicked in the face.

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Re: Impossible to be fired from the RCMP
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 09:11:56 PM »
good stuff... i hope the ol fella wins that one and im sure he will... the video evidence is astounding