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Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« on: April 03, 2013, 04:11:34 PM »


The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:57PM EDT

OTTAWA - A renowned Canadian scientist says there appear to be similarities between fish deformities found downstream from Alberta's oilsands and those observed after the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska and Florida's Deepwater Horizon disaster.
 
David Schindler of the University of Alberta has written two federal cabinet ministers pointing out the research similarities.
 
He's proposing that some chemical or suite of chemicals found in crude oil may be causing the malformations, and he'd like to see Canada take the lead in researching the issue

In a letter to Fisheries Minister Keith Ashfield and Environment Minister Peter Kent, Schindler says the federal Experimental Lakes Area in northwestern Ontario would be ideal for studying specific chemical impacts on fish in the wild.
 
Ottawa announced last year that it was closing the Experimental Lakes Area, a remote region of 58 pristine lakes that have been used since 1969 for groundbreaking freshwater studies.
 
The closure of the world-famous facility will save the federal government $2 million annually -- a move that scientists have called inexplicable, given the scientific value of the lakes area.
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Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/deformed-fish-in-alberta-scientist-thinks-he-knows-why-1.1222825#ixzz2PRNYtKWm

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 06:03:31 PM »
That will BBQ right out I bet.

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2013, 06:39:40 PM »
You can find deformed fish all over,not just in the Athabasca..

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 06:43:36 PM »
You can find deformed fish all over,not just in the Athabasca..

Shhhhhh

  Can't you see someone is trying to get oil money.

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2013, 06:44:52 PM »
Shhhhhh

  Can't you see someone is trying to get oil money.

oops sorry

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2013, 08:29:08 PM »
That damn oil has been running into that river for the last 20,000 years.. The EXXON Valdise is child's play compared to that massive oil spill they are trying to clean up there.
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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 08:15:24 AM »
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The closure of the world-famous facility will save the federal government $2 million annually -- a move that scientists have called inexplicable, given the scientific value of the lakes area.

Some more cutbacks in the wrong area...Any programs or facilities that monitor and protect the environment should stay.

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 08:51:25 AM »
That damn oil has been running into that river for the last 20,000 years.. The EXXON Valdise is child's play compared to that massive oil spill they are trying to clean up there.
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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 12:57:38 PM »

In 1979 I was working on a "pre-development" environmental study (AOSERP).

We netted a lot of fish and I don't recall seeing "growths" on them.

The naturally occurring stuff in the river I think is different from some of the chemicals from the facilities up there now.

I hope they find some funding to keep the lakes area research center open.

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 01:39:32 PM »
In 1979 I was working on a "pre-development" environmental study (AOSERP).

We netted a lot of fish and I don't recall seeing "growths" on them.

The naturally occurring stuff in the river I think is different from some of the chemicals from the facilities up there now.

I hope they find some funding to keep the lakes area research center open.

So because you didnt find any I guess they just didn't exist.

I catch fish in many lake across this country and its not unusual to find fish with abnormal growths on them,, it happens.


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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 02:11:15 PM »
In 1979 I was working on a "pre-development" environmental study (AOSERP).

We netted a lot of fish and I don't recall seeing "growths" on them.

The naturally occurring stuff in the river I think is different from some of the chemicals from the facilities up there now.

I hope they find some funding to keep the lakes area research center open.

As you can see I said "I don't recall seeing growths on them."

I reckon if we had seen a lot of growths I would probably remember that.  If we saw a few I may not recall seeing a few.

It depends on what you call "unusual".  I have caught a lot of fish and seen "very few" growths on any of them.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 03:07:11 PM »
As you can see I said "I don't recall seeing growths on them."

I reckon if we had seen a lot of growths I would probably remember that.  If we saw a few I may not recall seeing a few.

It depends on what you call "unusual".  I have caught a lot of fish and seen "very few" growths on any of them.

I don't think any inteligent human that experiences what is happening in our province will deny that we are having some affect on our enviroment. Those of us that work in the industry see it daily first hand. What we try and do is our best to minimise our effect and have respect for the wildlife around us. We are all outdoors people, and we all enjoy the same things. I have said it before and will again, there is not very many people that have worked and played more in this region than I have. I have witnessed the change and transition that is taking place around me. Do I like it ?? well not really. In a perfect world we would all live in BC or Que and would get paid just to be human but we are not. I live in Alberta and as such it has been put upon me to feed the rest of the country. Unforetunetly at the present time this is the best way to do that. My only hope is is that we do clean up our mess as they say we are going to and that what we are doing does not do major permanent damage. When I look at it from a logical and informative point of view I don't see that happening. Mother Earth has a remarkable abilty to heal herself,, thats the way she was designed. This fad will someday pass and we will be on to the next world ending delema in the mean time, all we can do is our best to make a living and care for our surroundings the best we can with the best to date ability we have.

I do not listen to or take radicals of any shape or form on any matters seriously,, they are what they are,, fear mongering radicals. I will only base my asumptions on clear open minded well informed first hand experienced points of view. It is after all the only inteligent stance to take.

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2013, 04:34:31 AM »
dunno if any of you fished wabamun crazy hard in 2012 but i hit the lake atleast two dozen times last season and 1 in every 15-20 fish were honestly meat. i have pictures ill try and find but i have caught most out by the cooling ponds by the trans alta and the trans alta outflow aswell as where the old plant used to be. but ya i caught defiantly a few that were missing fins deformed to the point of i didnt want to touch it lol. it looked like to me super sun spots and boils almost. but alot of scales missing and meat to the point of organs and bones showing through a transparent like skin. gross stuff. some say its other fish attacking it. others say its because of how warm the water is at wabamun and of coarse people say these fish were just the survivors after the oil spill.?? any clues????
 

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Re: Scientists want Ottawa to monitor oilsands fish
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2013, 07:15:25 AM »
Anyone have pictures of a deformed fish that did not come from a water source with "industry" added to it.