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Sonny

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Bear baiting?
« on: April 05, 2013, 07:47:33 PM »
I'll probably open up a can of worms here but is bear baiting the right thing to do?

I mean we can't bait waterfowl or deer so why bears?

I love the spot and stalk when it comes to bear hunting.I did a 200 yard stalk on a blackie with my bow many years ago.My son was with me and he packed a 12 guage with slugs,just in case. ;)
Anywho,that was a great hunt that I'll never forget.

but..

Sitting in a treestand over bait ??

I just don't get it...maybe I'm missing something here.

Thoughts?

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 10:33:04 PM »

Hunting =................

There are all sorts of equipment and methods for HUNTING.  Over millennia man has devised all sorts of ways to get game and the more efficient the better.

Then along came "SPORT HUNTING" and we invented "fair chase" and "sportsmanship" and "game regulations"(which often are legislated ethics of someone)

In some places you can bait all kinds of game.  In some places you can use dogs to hunt game.

I once heard a guy say he figured it was "not fair to hunt elk with a call".  After all the poor bulls are love sick and vulnerable so it was not sporting of a challenge to take advantage of them.

It takes some talent and work to set out baits for bear.  It is very exciting when you hear something coming in.  You get a chance to watch the bears and decide if you want to shoot it.  Then after the shot you have to climb down on shaky legs and go look for it.

If you tried it you may like it.  If you don't like it don't do it.

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 01:53:53 AM »
Un like deer or other ungulates a black bear is quite hard to pattern. More random in its daily movements so by baiting you are more or less setting up an artificial pattern for the bear. I spot and stock too mostly because of time restraints and I may see 1-2 decent bears all year. My neighbor and his son run baits and will see 2-3 bears an evening maybe more . It seems to me for the estimated population of black bears in Ab they can be tricky to find, they are good at staying out of site for the most part.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2013, 01:01:06 AM by honkerhitter »
I'm from the country , and I like it that way!!!

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 07:22:06 AM »
Because it ain't no fun when the rabbit has the gun.

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 06:41:36 PM »
It's all good hunting as far as I am concerned. I love sitting over a bear bait in the evenings, it's very relaxing and rewarding having an animal come into your set up. It's not like it's a guarantee either, just because you put out a bait a bear doesn't always like the set up and they quite often will avoid the whole thing. With a bait set up one has the time to judge an animal sometimes several times before you decide if its a taker or not.

In the end it's all baiting really, whether we call in a moose with a cow call, rattle in a big buck it's all a form of baiting. How many tree stands sitting over hay fields are there in this country, thousands of them. Personally I wouldn't have an issue sitting over an oat pile waiting for a big buck either, or taking a light out and hammering some dogs.. Some funny laws in this province, some that make little sense at all. In a lot of cases we have accepted laws as being ethical ways. In many cases this may be the case but in many it's not.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 07:12:37 PM »
It's all good hunting as far as I am concerned. I love sitting over a bear bait in the evenings, it's very relaxing and rewarding having an animal come into your set up. It's not like it's a guarantee either, just because you put out a bait a bear doesn't always like the set up and they quite often will avoid the whole thing. With a bait set up one has the time to judge an animal sometimes several times before you decide if its a taker or not.

In the end it's all baiting really, whether we call in a moose with a cow call, rattle in a big buck it's all a form of baiting. How many tree stands sitting over hay fields are there in this country, thousands of them. Personally I wouldn't have an issue sitting over an oat pile waiting for a big buck either, or taking a light out and hammering some dogs.. Some funny laws in this province, some that make little sense at all. In a lot of cases we have accepted laws as being ethical ways. In many cases this may be the case but in many it's not.

Yeah what you say makes sence and I don't really have to worry about it anyway since baiting around here is not allowed. ;)

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 09:57:21 PM »
I agree with Walleyes.  I believe hunting over bait is one of the more ethical ways to hunt bears and helps ensure a sow with cubs isnt accidentally shot.  Its pretty easy to shoot a sow at 200 yards on a cutline, only to get up there and see a couple little cubs hanging with dead Mom.  I know most of us would take the time to judge the bear but this would not always be the case, especially with some novice or first time bear hunters.  Easy to make this mistake when touring the cutlines on a Quad.

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2013, 08:15:15 AM »
Not my thing never been a big bear hunter but no issue with it for the guys that do, great way to get a nice bear.

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2013, 09:52:32 AM »
Hunting over bait shows no skill for hunting, it is unsporting nor fair chase. Sitting high over a bait texting your buddies and playing video games while ambushing an animal is not hunting for me. One on one at ground zero stalking a bear is hunting in my world..........just my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 10:48:04 AM »
Hunting over bait shows no skill for hunting, it is unsporting nor fair chase. Sitting high over a bait testing your buddies and playing video games while ambushing an animal is not hunting for me. One on one at ground zero stalking a bear is hunting in my world..........just my opinion.

Well now we know,, thanks for setting us wanabe's straight on how it all works..

P.S. I think you are on the wrong site,, its the other place you are looking for, full of self rightous dicks over there,, you should fit right in..

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 12:53:41 PM »
Well now we know,, thanks for setting us wanabe's straight on how it all works..

P.S. I think you are on the wrong site,, its the other place you are looking for, full of self rightous dicks over there,, you should fit right in..

Agree with walleyes on this. I don't do it but would never judge anyone else for doing something perfectly legal while hunting. Hunters that are against any form of legal hunting create a bridge between us and the antis bad precedent. Support your fellow sportsmen.

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 02:51:26 PM »
Hunting over bait shows no skill for hunting, it is unsporting nor fair chase. Sitting high over a bait testing your buddies and playing video games while ambushing an animal is not hunting for me. One on one at ground zero stalking a bear is hunting in my world..........just my opinion.

Sounds like you are a experanced Bear hunter care to share some pics of the hunts you have been on?  I like seeing differnt styles of hunting you must have been on some epic hunts.
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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 08:42:14 PM »
I have no issue with baiting for bears, except....

Why the heck do we allow people to feed bears some of the crap used for baiting?

Gummy bears, buckets of transfat....


New studies are showing that black bears can and are developing diabetes from the food supplied by people.

For the health of the animals, Bear bait should be restricted to pure animal parts and grains, no processed foods, no sugars....


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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2013, 10:15:07 PM »
I have no issue with baiting for bears, except....

Why the heck do we allow people to feed bears some of the crap used for baiting?

Gummy bears, buckets of transfat....


New studies are showing that black bears can and are developing diabetes from the food supplied by people.

For the health of the animals, Bear bait should be restricted to pure animal parts and grains, no processed foods, no sugars....

Definitely agree with you that bait should be high quality foods but diabetes in bears?  I would be interested in reading that.  Any links?  Considering diabetes in humans has nothing to do with sugar and is more a function of being overweight, I would be surprised that an animal that is designed to gain as much weight in the summer for a winter hibernation would have diabetic issues.  IF anything, I understood that people are studying bears to understand why they dont have the same issues as humans when gaining so much weight in a short period.


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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2013, 10:19:12 PM »

Those bears have to realize that they need to make some "life stile changes".  They should start jogging or at least getting an hour a day of cardiovascular workout.

It is a good thing they do not smoke and drink.

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2013, 07:52:47 AM »
I have no issue with baiting for bears, except....

Why the heck do we allow people to feed bears some of the crap used for baiting?

Gummy bears, buckets of transfat....


New studies are showing that black bears can and are developing diabetes from the food supplied by people.

For the health of the animals, Bear bait should be restricted to pure animal parts and grains, no processed foods, no sugars....

Wow!!!

Guess you must be running out of causes Buff!

Could you please post up the link to that study?? Or is it another secret one only you are allowed to see?

I'd love to see the study on this one prooving that a couple months of baiting in causing health issues in bears!! And how they linked that to humans feeding them?
For one the biggest baits used are grains, meats and popcorn. Sure some guys use a good number of sweets but the population of bears that touches would be so small it is basically a waste of time to even talk about.

God I laugh at some of the stupid crap brought up!!
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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 08:28:53 AM »
 :)over your head :)

I think the comment was made with tong in cheek.  As in a joke!
And I responded in kind.

However if there was any serious truth in it, then I would support stopping or regulating what can be used for bear baits.

Our hunting methods should not negatively effect the health of the game we hunt. (except for the occasional case of 30/06 "lead poisoning").

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 09:00:40 AM »
Any animal with pancreatic damage can get diabetes. The pancreas develops natural insulin to help convert fat and sugar in the body and blood properly. How they would develop pancreas damage is another question.

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 09:16:48 AM »

Here's an interesting little clip which probably proves diabetic BB's a myth. They are actually studing how black bears keep their blood sugar normal without the help of insulin, which in turn may help us some day.


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Denning Black Bears have low blood levels of insulin, as do people with who suffer from type 1 diabetes (also called juvenile-onset diabetes) who are unable to produce enough insulin to control the amount of sugar in their blood. But unlike type 1 diabetics, denning bears do not develop the consequences of inadequate insulin-high blood sugar concentrations, dehydrations, and a condition called ketoacidosis. Ketoacidosis is a toxic state where circulating levels of ketones, products of fat metabolism, are high. Studies have confirmed that denning Black Bears keep their blood glucose levels normal despite not having enough circulating insulin. Ketoacidosis also does not occur, because free fatty acids, rather than being metabolized into ketons, are instead recycled back into triglycerides. Within these complex pathways in the denning Black Bear, there may be found new approaches for treating type 1 diabetes mellitus.

Walking Buffola, I remember a post by you informing members not to post rhetoric and fear mongering, to back up their statements with facts. If indeed you are serious I would suggest you take some of your own advise.....

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 01:03:31 PM »
:)over your head :)


No sorry!! I've delt with Buff more than most. He is the first to say don't post unless its fact or with proof! But lately he has be the biggest culprit of this! So no Deerman it may be over your head!!

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