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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2013, 09:13:37 PM »

Its great to get out in the woods in the spring.  You can see things just about the way they looked last Oct./Nov.  All the rubs and scrapes and such.  You here the ruffed grouse drumming and the spring birds singing.

I doubt I'd go out in the bush in the spring just for those things but if i have a bear tag in my pocket and a favourite rifle slung over my shoulder then I'll go.

Always think it is funny that I will walk down a trail near a creek in the spring and feel there is a good chance I will come around a corner and see a bear.  Then a few months later I will walk down the same trail with just a fly rod and feel there is very little chance I will turn a corner and see a bear.

I eat bear!

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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2013, 08:13:17 AM »
Lad one of the biggest reasons bear baiting is a good idea and is used is animal selectivity. Many times a sow will not have her cub/cubs right on her side. With baiting it gives you the ability to observe the bear and be certain that the female isnt lactating and have young. Where as with spot and stalk it can be alot tougher to observe bears for any duration of time. And many(not all) times when sows are feeding out in the open they will live the cubs in the security of the timber.

As well it give more opportunity for guys that wish to harvest bears but dont want to be one on one with a bear in the bush. This is more so for many of the archery guys. It also allows for the time to get that perfect archery shot.

Another big advantage is animal judging. It gives the ability to compare the size of the bear to bait barrels and such. And gives the time for less experienced guys to tell if it is a trophy quality bear allowing some small bears that would possibly shot live to grow larger.

I hunt sheep to see over the next mountain not to measure the next trophy!

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2013, 06:17:11 PM »
Boy old habits die hard for the yappy few..

The few of you "regular" (as in regularly banned from elsewhere) sure can't seem to get enough of your own dopey drivel.

The best thing the owner of this forum/blog could do to attract new members to participate is clean house and sweep the trash out the back door!




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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2013, 06:36:54 PM »
Boy old habits die hard for the yappy few..

The few of you "regular" (as in regularly banned from elsewhere) sure can't seem to get enough of your own dopey drivel.

The best thing the owner of this forum/blog could do to attract new members to participate is clean house and sweep the trash out the back door!

I'm sure your contribution of 1 thread and 17 posts per year will keep this place afloat!!  ::)
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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2013, 07:27:05 PM »
Boy old habits die hard for the yappy few..

The few of you "regular" (as in regularly banned from elsewhere) sure can't seem to get enough of your own dopey drivel.

The best thing the owner of this forum/blog could do to attract new members to participate is clean house and sweep the trash out the back door!

 Now calm down Muley, no need to get all out of sorts. You say dopey drivel I say i am sick of being in the shoulder season and everyone needs a vent once in a while.  So tell me what you have been up to? Not asking you like a jerk, really tell us something interesting. I have not posted much at all- like you. I thought what the hell, it sure is easier to look at whats wrong and moan than to give it a whirl. There is a lot of good things going on too. Remember you are either part of the solution or your part of the problem. No digs to you... I have never so much as got a warning either anywhere...... I just want the to start fishing, shooting and quit shovelling. Like I said, whats new with you ?

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2013, 07:38:29 PM »
Cant wait to get out here and hunt me a black bear . I would really like to do some spot and stalk for sure ,never tried it bear hunting.back in qc,we used fish guts and carcas' when availiable, bacon grease and popcorn mixed with rasberry jello powder and vanilla extract.never took more than two days to get the bait site hit and once they found it they would return daily.

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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2013, 11:53:05 PM »
Muley, your post from June of last year...

I thought this would be a good place to hang out, definitely not! Seems more like an internet half way house for rejects that are not welcome in other places.

Hopefully the owner of this website takes you clowns for what you are and nukes your accounts. If not this place is doomed to a miserable death, few posts, and the yappy few Regulars keeping the legit members away.

I'll be done here now. Over and out!

So why are you posting anything here, why are you even coming here still? You predicted a miserable death, a year ago, but wow, it's still here, amazing.

Actually let me make it simple for you, bye Muley.
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2013, 07:50:00 AM »
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So why are you posting anything here, why are you even coming here still? You predicted a miserable death, a year ago, but wow, it's still here, amazing.

Actually let me make it simple for you, bye Muley.


Bravo, Bravo!

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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »
And now back to Bear baiting...  So who is running baits this year and would be looking for someone to help with either bait/gear.  I got an itch to whack a bear this year but, being in Lethbridge, I do not have the time to setup and run baits but I do have treestands and bait.  Would be looking to do it with a bow as well.

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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2013, 10:14:54 AM »
And now back to Bear baiting...  So who is running baits this year and would be looking for someone to help with either bait/gear.  I got an itch to whack a bear this year but, being in Lethbridge, I do not have the time to setup and run baits but I do have treestands and bait.  Would be looking to do it with a bow as well.

I will let you know how we make out Weste,, if Sam and I get into some and I have some time off at the right time we can look at making it happen for you..

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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2013, 01:08:16 PM »
I will let you know how we make out Weste,, if Sam and I get into some and I have some time off at the right time we can look at making it happen for you..
Thanks Walleyes.  Keep me posted.


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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2013, 10:41:58 PM »
i Have 8 Black Bears hunting spot and stalk .. 6 Black phase and 1 Cinnamon also a blonde

i do not agree with baiting of any kind .. here is a read

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Executive Summary
The Ecological and Human Social Effects of Artificial Feeding and Baiting of Wildlife
In recent years, events within Canada and the United States have drawn attention to potential negative consequences of feeding and baiting wild animals, especially enhanced transmission of infectious diseases such as bovine tuberculosis and chronic wasting disease. This report was prepared to gather available science-based information on the ecological and human social effects of artificial feeding and baiting of wildlife into one readily accessible document. The contracting agencies, Parks Canada and Saskatchewan Environment, recognize that an objective review of existing literature may help to answer questions and concerns within and outside the agencies, and help to guide subsequent decision-making concerning management and research pertaining to feeding and baiting.
Although the objectives for artificial feeding and baiting with feed often differ, the effects of these practices are considered together. In essence, both provide natural or artificial food for wildlife at specific locations in the environment.
Significant ecological effects of providing feed to wildlife have been documented through observation and experimentation at the individual, population, and community levels. In Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the increased potential for disease transmission and outbreak is perhaps of greatest and immediate concern. Nevertheless, even if spread of disease is prevented, other significant ecological concerns exist. Disruption of animal movement patterns and spatial distribution, alteration of community structure with reduced diversity and abundance, the introduction and invasion of exotic plant species, and general degradation of habitat are all major negative effects that have been documented at different locations throughout North America. Although information gaps exist, current information appears sufficient to conclude that the potential for negative ecological effects as a result of providing food to wildlife through artificial feeding or baiting is high. Nevertheless, our current understanding of the specific mechanisms operating between cause (feeding or baiting) and effect is often too crude to allow accurate prediction of the nature or magnitude of effect.
The human social effects of providing food to wildlife concern numerous issues (economics, human safety, wildlife ownership, etc.), and perceptions regarding specific issues can be quite disparate. The science-based information is limited in part because philosophical differences lie at the root of many of the issues and science is not the appropriate tool for resolution, e.g., science cannot determine whether hunting over bait is ethical or not.
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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2013, 11:24:17 PM »
i Have 8 Black Bears hunting spot and stalk .. 6 Black phase and 1 Cinnamon also a blonde

i do not agree with baiting of any kind .. here is a read

David :)
Executive Summary
The Ecological and Human Social Effects of Artificial Feeding and Baiting of Wildlife
In recent years, events within Canada and the United States have drawn attention to potential negative consequences of feeding and baiting wild animals, especially enhanced transmission of infectious diseases such as bovine tuberculosis and chronic wasting disease. This report was prepared to gather available science-based information on the ecological and human social effects of artificial feeding and baiting of wildlife into one readily accessible document. The contracting agencies, Parks Canada and Saskatchewan Environment, recognize that an objective review of existing literature may help to answer questions and concerns within and outside the agencies, and help to guide subsequent decision-making concerning management and research pertaining to feeding and baiting.
Although the objectives for artificial feeding and baiting with feed often differ, the effects of these practices are considered together. In essence, both provide natural or artificial food for wildlife at specific locations in the environment.
Significant ecological effects of providing feed to wildlife have been documented through observation and experimentation at the individual, population, and community levels. In Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the increased potential for disease transmission and outbreak is perhaps of greatest and immediate concern. Nevertheless, even if spread of disease is prevented, other significant ecological concerns exist. Disruption of animal movement patterns and spatial distribution, alteration of community structure with reduced diversity and abundance, the introduction and invasion of exotic plant species, and general degradation of habitat are all major negative effects that have been documented at different locations throughout North America. Although information gaps exist, current information appears sufficient to conclude that the potential for negative ecological effects as a result of providing food to wildlife through artificial feeding or baiting is high. Nevertheless, our current understanding of the specific mechanisms operating between cause (feeding or baiting) and effect is often too crude to allow accurate prediction of the nature or magnitude of effect.
The human social effects of providing food to wildlife concern numerous issues (economics, human safety, wildlife ownership, etc.), and perceptions regarding specific issues can be quite disparate. The science-based information is limited in part because philosophical differences lie at the root of many of the issues and science is not the appropriate tool for resolution, e.g., science cannot determine whether hunting over bait is ethical or not.
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2013, 11:37:04 PM »
I am so sorry that I started this thread.
It was never meant to be a sideshow like it turned out to be..please forgive me..

Mods...as the OP of this thread can I please ask you to lock it?

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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2013, 11:43:27 PM »

In the end it's all baiting really, whether we call in a moose with a cow call, rattle in a big buck it's all a form of baiting. How many tree stands sitting over hay fields are there in this country, thousands of them. Personally I wouldn't have an issue sitting over an oat pile waiting for a big buck either, or taking a light out and hammering some dogs.. Some funny laws in this province, some that make little sense at all. In a lot of cases we have accepted laws as being ethical ways. In many cases this may be the case but in many it's

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Re: Bear baiting?
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2013, 11:52:03 PM »
JustinC .. i am a Hunter and my answer has nothing to do with my ethics.. the study is on the CWD site and was done for Parks Canada/Sask/Man by The Canadian Cooperative Wildlife Heath Center .. Sonny was asking for opinions when he started the post i gave mine .. please keep your remarks to the question .. thanks

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Well like always someone pulls out there ethics card.   Well like this study or what ever you posted. Who cares, I have never shot a bear over a bait in my life either.  Like I stated already in this thread. You don't like it lip your shit.  Baiting bear is legal 1000000% and if you don't like it don't do it.  Quit fueling anti hunting groups with these thoughtless posts.
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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2013, 12:02:21 AM »
I am so sorry that I started this thread.
It was never meant to be a sideshow like it turned out to be..please forgive me..

Mods...as the OP of this thread can I please ask you to lock it?

Ok...nix this but please keep it civil ok guys?

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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2013, 12:14:20 AM »
lip your shit

Not even sure what lip your shit means but he posted in a reasonable manner without being a dick I suggest you do the same. Stick to the topic please people without being insulting, it's a good topic.
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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2013, 12:35:42 AM »
A few years ago there was a video out of a guy in saskatchawan who actually killed a bear with a knife at a bait set up.
But I just can't find it..anyone remember that?

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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2013, 07:44:02 AM »
Mite have an spot for you Rick.  I will let you know.
Thanks Justin.